Reproduction and Real Jaques of London Chess Set

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MCH818 wrote:

Thanks everyone for the positive responses.

I forgot something. I just wanted to publicly express my gratitude to Holger. The above Jaques was my first Jaques. Prior to that purchase, I had many questions about condition issues, missing or incorrect items, etc. I am sure many of you can appreciate the loads of questions one would have prior to buying the first Jaques. I reached out to Holger for the first time and asked if I may bounce some questions about antique sets off of him. He gladly said yes. I asked lots of questions, and Holger provided detailed answers to all of my questions. His answers helped me understand where to begin in terms of evaluating these sets. He also helped alleviate some concerns I had over condition issues, price, repairs, etc. After a few back and forth, I felt comfortable enough to move forward once I found a set. I cannot express how grateful I am to have such a knowledge and experienced collector who is willing to share information with an inexperienced collector such as myself.

Thanks Holger!

Mike, you are more than welcome! As I said, I am not a true Jaques collector and do not have the same knowledge as some authorities out there, but I do have a share of experience from collecting a few years and I am more than happy if that can be of help.

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edwardPowell2233 wrote:

@EfimLG47 That ivory set is astounding. Can you give an estimate to how much it would cost buying a similar set.

Buying ivory today, even when it is antique, is tricky. Finding a set with all the right attributes that would make a transaction lawful is challenging, especially when you are located in the US or the UK, where rather strict ivory bans have been introduced lately. I was lucky to buy my set before all these rules applied. In the UK, prices dropped just before the ban, because many people wanted to dispose of their ivories before it became unlawful or at least more demanding. But since the ban is in place, it seems that prices have gone up again, because it has become all the more difficult to find ivory sets. While in the past, I saw at least 5-10 ivory sets sell in UK auctions per year, you nowadays find none apart from the rare European auction, e.g. in Portugal or Switzerland. And it seems that collectors do not really care if a set comes with proper documentation (which most sets do not!!!), because they are willing to pay high prices even without. The best example was the Koller auction in Switzerland three weeks ago, where a similar 3.5" Jaques ivory set (albeit with a carton pierre box that in addition had a Leuchars sticker) was sold for the incredible amount of 13,750 CHF (which is approximately 12,500 £ or 15,000 US$). I would say the price for a set like mine would probably be in the region of 6,000 - 8,000 US$, but that is just a rough estimate.

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Very nice set, congratulations! Ciaran is an outstanding collector and a very trustworthy and recommendable seller.

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A beautiful set! Well done.👍

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Nice looking set you have there  MCH818 thumbup

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Very fine and ultra classy set MCH...Just like you.happy

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MCH818, your chess set is really beautiful and classy!!

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Let me smurf in with what R-U-Angry said!!

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You are likely very proud of your set, @MCH818... your research, patience, and questioning of knowledgeable and honest folks have been rewarded. Also, the pairing of board is another masterstroke. You must've had to invest in some heavy bling to keep your better half happy?! It must be nice to have a piece of history in your own home... thanks for posting for us all to enjoy. Happy for you. happy

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Well stated PW1.👍
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I like the way MCH has moved and progressed as a collector of chess sets. Like so many of us,we start out with the common vendors...A normal way to add sets that are affordable.....Then,after a while,a few higher quality vendors and now the final link....Authentic/Vintage!

The last part is not so easy.....We're talking serious money, but you get a real piece of history.

Good for you MCH!

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I hope you got a good price for that set. As the set is in poor condition with broken pieces. And it is a mixed set. Not original. DesperateKingWalk

DesperateKingWalk would you like to share your wisdom to why you think so ? As i just checked Alan Fersht book & the set seems to be right for its age , Only thing missing is the label which  MCH818 had made clear in his post , So to me this looks like a very fine set from it's time .

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never said it was not of the correct age. I said the set is a mix set. It is a Frankenstein set .

And that is fine as long as you did not pay many hundreds of dollars . DesperateKingWalk

Ok i find this hard too see or tell going on the photos by MCH818 + the seller is very well known in the chess collector world .

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@DesperateKingWalk, how many Jaques sets do you own?

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DesperateKingWalk wrote:
lighthouse wrote:

never said it was not of the correct age. I said the set is a mix set. It is a Frankenstein set .

And that is fine as long as you did not pay many hundreds of dollars . DesperateKingWalk

Ok i find this hard too see or tell going on the photos by MCH818 + the seller is very well known in the chess collector world .

Ok. As I said price is everything. What was the price as the set is a mixed set.

Well that's a question only the buyer + seller would know , Going on to days market price for antique English chess sets , Would not be cheap , Still theses days do not keep up as way outside my price range / also I am very happy with what I have ,So no desire for any more chess sets of the Jaques kind . Still good luck to  MCH818 as he's very happy with his new found antique English chess set & bring him much joy to play & uses knowing that you hold a piece of chess history in your hands .

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Ok. As I said price is everything. What was the price as the set is a mixed set. DesperateKingWalk

Ok my bad i took this as a question .

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The earliest known chess pieces (chatrang) were found at Afrasaib, near Samarkand in Uzbekistan. What was found were seven pieces consisting of a king, chariot, vizier, horse, elephant, and 2 soldiers. made of ivory. It is dated about 760 AD.https://mexicoonlinepharmacy.org/

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https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-books-equipment/jaques-antique-chessmen-72879489

MCH818 heres the man with the best Anderssen chess sets .

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Amazing how a little "Twerp" continues to try to suck the pleasure out of someone's prized possessions and then goes on to make out like they're so innocent and knowledgeable.

Instead of subtly knocking such a vintage gem,it would be more appropriate to add a few more posters to your room...Perhaps Led Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones could take up more of the crowded walls.You've added everything else...Why not some Classic Rock?surprise

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@lighthouse, regarding your note of the c. 1863 Anderssen set from Jacques-lover, I'm seeing a difference in carving between the QN and the KN, the former sporting a more graceful, flowing around the neck versus the latter's more muscular. I suspect this might have been intentional, as I've seen "individualized" knights (if I might use this term) in older sets. Can you elaborate on this topic?