Tal - Botvinik 1960 chess set

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I can't find any info regarding the chess set used in the World Chess Championship between Mikhail Tal and Botvinik in 1960 and I would like to buy one.


You can find a replica for the pieces used in Fischer - Spassky match: http://www.houseofstaunton.com/the-fischer-spassky-series-chess-pieces-3-75-inch-king.html but not for Tal vs Botvinik
 

Any info please? Thank you

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Okay!

KeyserSzoze:"Harder than being Midas!" Impossible!

What you want, me too. Is The chess that I ask to ChessBaazar to reproduce! Is one of the rarest and most extraordinary pieces in the history of chess. Not inferior to Jaques, believe me.
It was not only used in Tal-Botvinnik, but also in Botvinnik-Petrosian, Spassky-Petrosian, and light versions on the 1st and endless match Karpov-Kasparov Moscow. ( And in somme URRS Chess Championships)
By the way, the set of this match K-K was stolen, and a miserable set is in Moscow Chess Museum - Averbach dixit

The pieces are a monument to simplicity, harmony and beauty-here an there some ressemblances with The Staunton used in Havana Olympiade.

I dream with this chess pieces. I Have dozens and dozens of soviet chess sets, some, approximate copies, but always far of these original pieces. Even in Photos, the set is dificult to see the details, but even so, we
we perceive the beauty of the set. Look at some pictures: The wonderful carved Knights, the fineness of the rooks.

My poor "approach"

                                    What You and I want!


let us dream : In ChessBazaar' Contest I proposed them this prototype of set to be Reproduced, but  I know that I "will wait sitting".


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BurnAmos, thanks a lot for your answer. Time to call my russian friends :)

If I find out anything, I'll let you know

Your comments made me want this chess set more :)

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informaticacobach29 wrote:

One of those was sold a couple of days ago for less than $200. I barely missed it, someone knocked at the door when I was about to buy it, I went to open and when I came back to my computer it was gone.

I hope some member of chess.com got it and shares pictures of it soon!

 

That was the only picture I could get from the webpage after it was sold. 

I wish it had been me. I have two sets that approximate the style, but the knights depicted here are far more beautiful and finely carved. Where had it been offered?

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Here are some shots of the better of my two approximations.

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The white king is a replacement from another set.

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The queens are particularly nice.

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As are the rooks.

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But the knights are much cruder.

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The bishops' miter cuts are not as deep in my set.

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The pawns are sturdy proletarians and a decent approximation of the original.

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informaticacobach29 wrote:

One of those was sold a couple of days ago for less than $200. I barely missed it, someone knocked at the door when I was about to buy it, I went to open and when I came back to my computer it was gone.

 


Informatico, you needn't worry too much. That set is not the Soviet World Championship set, but a poor copy.  Look at the knights in BurnAmos's picture, that's how you can tell.  Those are not the knights in your picture. 

I have a half-dozen Soviet sets, and I have never seen the actual WC set for sale anywhere.  Even the mega-collectors who post their Soviet sets online don't have those.  The closest you may get is the "Grossmeister" pattern with plastic knights.  Close, but it's NOT the same thing. 

 

Like BurnAmos, I have a photo collection of the Real Thing on my computer :)  Like BurnAmos, I have lusted deeply after them.  For historic value, they are next only to Reykjavik 1972.  Maybe they're even more historic.  I wonder if any even exist now.

 

It's possible they may have existed as late as Karpov-Kamsky 1996.  Although I'm inclined to think these knights are the plastic ones, not the Real thing. 

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Here are a couple more.  It's often hard to distinguish the ones with nicer knights from the ones with cheap plastic knights.  The nicer knights are rather Lardyesque in my opinion.

 

Below, the cheap mass produced version.

I don't know that the fancy ones were specifically limited like Havana, they just didn't make a lot of them.

Notice though that the Kasparov-Karpov pictures have something unique. On them, the nub on top of the white king is white.  Typically it's black. The K-K set is the ONLY prestige Soviet set with this that I have seen pictures of. I wonder if it was a one-off.  But it was used in all three Soviet K-K matches.  Very curious.

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althus wrote:

Here are a couple more.  It's often hard to distinguish the ones with nicer knights from the ones with cheap plastic knights.  The nicer knights are rather Lardyesque...

Lardyesque is a good term for them.

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althus wrote:

Here are a couple more.  It's often hard to distinguish the ones with nicer knights from the ones with cheap plastic knights. 

In both my knock-off sets, and I'd bet in the set Arlindo posted above, the white knight-heads are wood, while the black ones are plastic. The white knights are crudely carved, however.

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Before I started hanging around here, I would have been utterly mystified by the term Lardyesque.  How my world has expanded.  :-)

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Moriarty_697 wrote:

Before I started hanging around here, I would have been utterly mystified by the term Lardyesque.  How my world has expanded.  :-)


Tip of the iceberg.  I just got back from a chess collectors meeting, and some of those guys would make your head spin Smile

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Info, the set you posted and another like it are for sale on Etsy right now.

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informaticacobach29 wrote:

Thanks for the tip cgrau, but unless it has been sold already, it's not the same one. 

Just took a look at that one on Etsy. It looks really good.

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Let's make a petition for the House of Staunton :)