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Kummatmebro

does anyone know where i can find this specific set?

 

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notmtwain
Kummatmebro wrote:

does anyone know where i can find this specific set?

 

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http://www.chesshouse.com/3_5_8_Ultimate_Chess_Pieces_p/e119.htm

It's from a discontinued set.

The case of the missing molds

In On Chess

6:36 am on Wed, 07.24.13

Considering the escalation of tension over depleting oil reserves, I’m seriously concerned with the level of meltdown America will encounter as we run dangerously low on intellectual reserves.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the United States is running out of chess pieces.

The Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis stocks much of its inventory – specifically its pieces – through American Chess Equipment, a wholesale supplier out of Anaheim, Calif. Several months ago, however, those pieces stopped coming in – and the dark whispers of rumor began to swirl.

The fate of the Ultimate weighted chess set, featuring a signature look and feel, is unclear.The fate of the Ultimate weighted chess set, featuring a signature look and feel, is unclear.

A minor problem easily solved, you say, but understand the concerned level of which I speak. These pieces are known as the Ultimate chess set, and they are the quintessential choice when playing with plastic. Black pieces on one side, and not-white opposing: The yellow cream that opened a game provided a unique and instantly identifiable look to chess halls across America.

And these superior pieces are even more special on the inside. Over the years, players have found that tactics aren’t the only thing that affect their pieces: Outdoor players have had many a game literally blown up by the wind, and the fast-flying moves of a blitz player have seen too many pieces knocked over to count. To combat these extra-particulars of chess, it became commonplace to insert weights within the pieces.

This, of course, merely gave us chess nerds something else to obsess over. Single weights obviously needed to be one-upped, while double-weighted pieces didn’t always seem to cut the mustard. And quadruple-weighted sets? Let’s not get carried away.

No, the Ultimate sets became the cream of the crop of the triple-weighted pieces, finding a perfect harmony of density and balance. For more than a decade, they have become the unofficial industry standard: Referring to a set as triple-weighted meant you were speaking of the Ultimate set. And helping to secure its notoriety was an internal design quirk that kept the weights from rattling loose as quickly as other inferior sets, many that just jammed weights inside with glue and covered with a piece of felt.

“They just had a great feel to them, just a great design,” said American Chess Equipment owner Shelby Lohrman, the United States’ sole distributor of the Ultimate set. “Really chunky pawns, and the knights had a good look – not too big or ugly. The set could handle the abuse of blitz, but it was also nice-looking enough to keep out in the house. Before I became a wooden-set snob, all I would play with was the Ultimate set.”

But Lohrman received bad news upon his last order to create more Ultimate pieces. Or, more accurately, he received no news. After 15 years of production, the Taiwanese plastics factory that produced the Ultimate sets just simply stopped responding to any of Lohrman’s inquires – and soon after, desperate pleas – for a resupply.

He tried recruiting the help of previous owner Dewain Barber, credited with the design of the mold used to produce the sets, but to no avail. About 25 unresponded to e-mails and half-dozen unanswered phone calls later, Lohrman sent another Taiwanese supplier to check things out: The plastics factory was now a hotel, and the sales office, a strip mall.

A vanishing act, indeed, but of most concern was the disappearance of that mold – which had cost Barber $15,000 to create, back in a time when discretionary income was a bit easier to come by.

“I would have paid $5,000 for someone just to pack up the mold and send it to me,” Lohrman said. “If I had that mold, we could find another plastics company in Mexico or India and have them produced again in a month. It was our mold anyway. We paid for it, but to try to find it in a place like Taiwain ... no, we’re never going to get that thing back.”

Now, the U.S. chess scene is knocking on Lohrman’s door for more of the beloved triple-weights, and he can do little more than shrug his shoulders. Ultimate set prices have skyrocketed around the Internet, hitting prices on eBay for upward of $50 a pop – nearly tripling their original cost. And those who need more than just a set or two – such as Alex Marler, manager of the Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis – are completely out of luck.

“I’ve looked around for surplus to buy,” Marler said. “No one is selling them. None of the big distributors has anything. I found one guy on Amazon who wanted a couple hundred bucks for 10 sets. We have to replace 150 sets in the club.”

Sadly, this column does not come with a happy ending. Lohrman says he has restarted the process, already having found a Mexican plastics company that could turnaround his orders even faster than Taiwan. He is in the process of getting laser measurements done on an existing set to produce a CAD-design and recreate the mold – but the cost to make another mold bears a heavy weight.

And until that happens, for the rest of us, it bears a triple weight on our hearts.

“We’re going to cry a lot of tears if we have to replace the Ultimate set,” Marler said.

 

More crying about these pieces: http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/is-this-style-set-still-available?page=1

EscherehcsE

Yeah, it looks like all of the usual sources are out of stock or discontinued. I wonder if the manufacturer just stopped producing them?

notmtwain
EscherehcsE wrote:

Yeah, it looks like all of the usual sources are out of stock or discontinued. I wonder if the manufacturer just stopped producing them?

The article I posted above says that the location for the Taiwanese plastics manufacturer now has a hotel. No info was available on what happened to the plastics company or more importantly, the molds involved in making the sets.

EscherehcsE

Ok, so it looks like the design is history, unless someone lays out the money for a new mold.

kenardi

That is a shame, who would think insurance is needed on a set of chess piece molds.  Wonder if the mold was made of some material of value?  Or just tossed in the trash…

Maybe a deal could be worked out with the plastic manufacturer to help cover the cost of the new molds... maybe the pieces don't sell enough for the investment required...  I would buy a set.

I would guess if they do come back the price may go up a little.

Tell the chess stores you want them... maybe if the demand is enough an investor will come along.

notmtwain

I wrote an email to American Chess Equipment to see if they have made any progress in the last year. I will pass along any news.

Kummatmebro

There arent any chess stores in Philadelphia unfortunately,

I decided to go with the reykavik plastic set from HOS the natural and black ones, Since I refuse to spend more than $50 including shipping on a chess set.

kenardi

@Kummatmebro - The reykavik set looks nice, but from the description, total weight of the set is only 38 ounces... the pieces sound too light for my taste.  The Ultimate set is more like 56-60 ounces; that is more like it!  So many sets, even expensive, are too lightly weighted in my opinion.  Some manufactures won’t even tell you the weight of their pieces... they just say double or triple weight... that is meaningless.

kenardi

@notmtwain - thanks! let us know if you hear anything from ACE, I sent them an email about a week ago asking about the set and have not heard back from them yet.  If the set was discontinued you would think it would just say that on the website?  right?  But it just says THIS ITEM IS CURRENTLY OUT OF STOCK!, I guess since July, given the date on the article above. 

Just noticed, JULY 2013, since last year!


Kummatmebro

I just need new pieces my current set was a $30 kit from amazon with pieces board and chess bag. I'm pretty sure those pieces were zero weighted and just pieces of plastic only

kenardi

@Kummatmebro - weight is a personal preference, if the design is what you like, then the HOS reykavik set is very close to the ACE 2100 Ultimate set.  And the price looks very good.

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ghillan

I posted this also in another thread. If you are not looking specifically for a rejkiavik reproduction, but you just want a good ( & cheap ) heavy weighted plastic set, you could look at this one:

http://www.regencychess.co.uk/conqueror-weighted-staunton-chess-pieces-4-inches-plastic-p-1071.html

the design its quite different ad is conqueror based (  wich i prefer over the reikiavik ), but this is matter of taste.

Kummatmebro

Well my set is supposed to come in tomorrow

Thanks for the helps guys

Aries360

I have a very old set of these pieces that i bought from uscf about 17 years ago. I still use them but was looking for a replacement today and found this thread. Sad.

Aries360

btw I bought the Rekyavik plastic set from HOS around a year ago and I prefer the Ultimate hands down.  Best feel, weight and looks for a plastic set. They don't try to mimick a wooden set in plastic, these all look cheap to me and even the more expensive have irregularities or you could see imperfections in the mold where the plastic fuses. The nice thing about this set is that it looks like they designed it from the ground up to be a great plastic set. The only problem I had with them was that after about a year some of the weights became loose but some super glue and they have never failed.

ROBB_CHESS

Got this plastic Spassky Fischer set at HOS and play it often. Not sure if they make it anymore. Maybe others know...maybe not exactly what you're looking for but not a bad second...and a cheap price tag... 

kenardi

@ROBB - that is the HOS reykavik set mentioned above.  Similar design, but much lighter weighted pieces, description says 38 ounces (2.375 lbs.). 

The Ultimate set is over 3.5 lbs.  Some older sets are said to be closer to 4 lbs.  There isn't a set on the market right now, that I can find, that is weighted like that and can be played on a standard 20 inch board.  

ROBB_CHESS

Oops... Yep it's like a R-II ... Thought a pic of the actual I own might be beneficial.

kenardi

@ROBB - nice picture, does the set more justice than what HOS has on their website... they need to improve the plastic set pictures on the website.