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deepOzzzie

um steeeven vista deserved the bad rap it got. It was completely a heap of crap.

sstteevveenn

ouch, well I can't argue there.  4 new printers is pretty bad and would certainly be enough for me to complain, although I suspect the printer manufacturer wasnt blameless.  Were they network printers or something slightly more complicated than just a regular printer?  I had no problems with an old hp deskjet.  Maybe I was lucky. 

sstteevveenn

deepozzzie specifically what problems did you have with it, because 7 isnt really that different to vista from what I've read. 

Farhad_Gulemov
sstteevveenn wrote:

I really don't get what point you are trying to make.  You just agreed with everything I wrote and then put QED at the end.  Well done. 


What else should I do?!  You yourself provided all the arguments for showing the crappy bloatware Windoze is.  Adding "QED" at the end was just a way to recognize your courage in admitting the obvious Laughing

Farhad_Gulemov
deepOzzzie wrote:

 All chessbase items work on both system, as does all distributions of office.


There we go: one proprietary application which specializes in vendor lock-in (CB) only work on a proprietary OS which is also notorious for trapping its users into vendor lock-in.  CB+MS - truly the ultimate trap (and one you have to pay for!)

deepOzzzie

Vista the memory management within it was simply appauling. Also vista was highly incompatable with everything. If you wanted to have to rebuild your whole computer you might as well become a linux user. Windows has always been known for there easy to use OS's but vista wasnt it.

deepOzzzie

um whats great is i never payed for CB haha. :D Though my current computer i have a dual boot, ubuntu + windows 7. 7 has chessbase, ubuntu has scid. :D

Farhad_Gulemov
deepOzzzie wrote:

If you wanted to have to rebuild your whole computer you might as well become a linux user.


that was true 10 years ago but nowadays installing and running Ubuntu is a no brainer with anyone who has an IQ at, or above, room temperature.  I have three kids (9,12,13) and they all use Ubuntu without any problems (they each have their own machines, and they also share another 3 for Internet access as well as my Debian laptop during chess tournaments).  I have yet to hear a the report of a single problem.

deepOzzzie

Awesome. That is fantastic. Start em young. Gettem using a real OS. haha.

deepOzzzie

have you tried swiss perfect? or should i say swiss inperfect haha.

sstteevveenn

haha yeah that new network centre thing in vista/7 is pretty irritating actually.  hmm I do actually have some gui issues with vista.  I doubt they're changed in 7 though.  A lot of it seems to be the direction they're heading in ever since xp when I had to click to get it to show the control panel in 'classic view'.  I don't like the way everything's hidden, or in some weird decentralised place where you have to follow a random sequence of actions to get to what you want.  I actually had to ask someone how to show hidden files and folders.  It seems somebody at microsoft has decided that menus are evil and ugly and must be gone from everything.  The same sort of bad design started appearing in things like msn and ie and windows media player.  It's called 'hide the options'. 

deepOzzzie

try this site: http://utenti.lycos.it/forlano/vega/en/index.htm

Farhad_Gulemov
Schachgeek wrote:

Do you have tournament pairing software that will run in Linux?

I've tried Swiss Sys with wine, won't install.

Swiss Sys works in Vista, but some of the menus don't work - you have to use the ones on the toolbar. It was written for XP I believe.


I never use tournament software since I am not a TD but only a (modest) chess player.  Wine is what I would try, or Bochs/dosbox/QEmu/etc.  Lastly, Crossover is the proprietary option, but it is supposed to be good.

Sorry.

CPawn

If any of us kept getting notices to bring our car, refrigerator, washers and dryers in for upgrades, new parts, etc. we would be screaming.  But because its Microcrap its ok?

sstteevveenn
CPawn wrote:

If any of us kept getting notices to bring our car, refrigerator, washers and dryers in for upgrades, new parts, etc. we would be screaming.  But because its Microcrap its ok?


Now you're clearly just trolling but I thought I'd just drop by to point out that you do have to service your car and change the oil multiple times during its life, and you have to pay for it too.  Also parts of your car will wear out after a while and you will have to pay a lot of money to replace them.  With things like washers and driers when a part goes you have to buy a new one usually because it would be so expensive to repair.  Also, if someone offered to upgrade something or service something for me free of charge, in what way is that a bad thing?  Grow up. 

CPawn
sstteevveenn wrote:
CPawn wrote:

If any of us kept getting notices to bring our car, refrigerator, washers and dryers in for upgrades, new parts, etc. we would be screaming.  But because its Microcrap its ok?


Now you're clearly just trolling but I thought I'd just drop by to point out that you do have to service your car and change the oil multiple times during its life, and you have to pay for it too.  Also parts of your car will wear out after a while and you will have to pay a lot of money to replace them.  With things like washers and driers when a part goes you have to buy a new one usually because it would be so expensive to repair.  Also, if someone offered to upgrade something or service something for me free of charge, in what way is that a bad thing?  Grow up. 


 Obviously youre a big fan of Microsoft and thats fine.  But calling me a troll doesnt lessen the fact that MS products are as was posted earlier bloated with crap that is not needed.  There is no reason to need 2+ gigs of ram to go from XP to Vista.  Windows is a bloated OS that comes with so many things that are not even needed, and its full of security flaws. 

Preventative maintenance is one thing, but to keep having to go back to the dealer for things that should be included to begin with is rediculous.  Windows does not issue preventative maintenance, they keep issuing "Oooopps we messed up" updates. 

CPawn

In over 7 years of Linux...never a virus...spyware...spam...malware...scumware...etc. 

Windows?  I hauve to get update each and every day for superspyware remover...avira anti virus...malwarebytes...

Farhad_Gulemov

The simple fact is that Windows was, from the beginning:

a) NOT designed as a multi-user system

b) NOT designed to be networked

c) NOT designed with a responsible sysadmin in mind

Windows was designed for the "office" (and some gaming) needs of a single-user with no IT skills.

Later, of course, Windows became networked, but very poorly so, kind of multi-user, but not really, and the the Windows "administrator" was little more than a regular user with some extra privileges.  All this means a simple thing: Windows was never designed to be secure.  Period.  So comparing Windows to UNIX based systems such as Linux or Mac OSX is like comparing a car converted into an airplane with airplanes designed from day 1 to be airplanes.

Apple, by the way, had a similar issue, though not nearly as bad as Microsoft.  They did the only smart thing really - they dumped the poorly designed Apple OS and adopted the rock-solid BSD as the core of its OSX operating system.  Very smart choice, the *ONLY* smart choice really.

Comparing UNIX-based system to Windows 3.1-based system is like comparing a toddler's toy car to a Formula 1 machine.  I know that some might be offended by the comparison, but that is a fact.  Look at this simple fact: the bleeding edge version of GNU/Linux today still have literally hundreds of applications and pieces of code which they inherited from the original UNIX.  That should tell you something about how well designed the original system was.  There is a real UNIX design philosophy which is still present in today's Linux design philosophy and that is still the key to their success.  In contrast, Windows is plagued by its original design philosophy and, unlike Apple, it never had the insight or guts to admit it.  Where Apple decided to cut its losses and dump a basically crappy design, Microsoft decided that its survival would depend not on the quality of its products, but on a) marketing and b) vendor lock-in.

So you can call it Millennium, Longhorn, XP, 2000, Vista or 7 it is still  fundamentally a boated piece of shit.  And it will stay a bloated piece of shit as long as it will not do what Apple did a fundamentally re-design its entire architecture.  But then, there is a corporate culture thing here: Apple with its rainbow-colored apples, trendy designs, Steve Jobs cult, etc. knew that it could get away with this complete reversal (that, along with using an Intel proc.,  USB, three button mice, etc.).  Maccies will always buy Mac stuff no matter how silly it is (you want to really understand the "Apple cult"? Just watch this video).  MS sells no hardware and it does not have a cult-like following of "hardcore groupies" which Apple has.  Hence, it simply cannot afford changing its way.

Bottom line:  real computers are UNIX-based.  Windows will always be a bloated piece of shit no matter how much "Windows dressing" (pun intended) you throw in (DOWNgrade kits included)

frazetta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOvzGiheOM

I'm enjoying life with my Slackware box....

Farhad_Gulemov
jmhet42 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOvzGiheOM

I'm enjoying life with my Slackware box....


Good video (even though the Mac "forgets" to mention their 180 degree turn).

Slackware.... great distro with a superb history behind it (but I still prefer Debian)