Zmf-II chess clock increment question

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ActuallySleepy
It seems with it adds the extra time to my opponents clock when I make a move. It's not the biggest deal since both sides still end up getting their time but it does bother me. Does anyone know any way to fix this?

Also whenever one side runs out of time completely they can still hit the button and start their opponents time.

Other than that I love the clock and it's not the biggest deal in the world but if anyone knows how to change it it would be very appreciated.
Fish-Killer

You can set the FIDE option ON to stop the clock when one side runs out of time.

This way of displaying the increment is the standard way. Another option is the Bronstein increment, but this clock doesn't support that since it's barely used.

ActuallySleepy
I dont see an fide mode, guess I'm just going to have to live with it.

Good to know that's how normal increments work, weird the clocks playing online games are different?

Here's a manual for the clock:
http://s3.chesshouse.com.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/manuals/clocks/ZMF-II_Manual.pdf

Thank you for the response.
Fish-Killer

That is an old version of the manual. Browse through the menu options in your clock and you should see a FIDE mode.

ActuallySleepy
In order I see: HH:NN , NN:55, del, inc , p-00, hogl, by0 y0ni, scra, scor, Leo , soun, play...... maybe I have an older version of the clock? I'm not sure I've only had it for a year (just over a year really)
klevertonmoises

Hello! I got a ZMF PRO this year (2019) and I'm going through the same problem. The increase is being made in the time of my opponent.

Has anyone managed to solve it or is it a serious failure of the clock?

Fish-Killer

This way of displaying the increment is the standard way. Another option is the Bronstein increment, but this clock doesn't support that since it's barely used.

klevertonmoises

Hello. Look at the video below to understand the problem I'm having with ZMF-PRO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYoOyv8M_Fk


It's the same situation that AlkinKing commented on

klevertonmoises

Hello!

I received the return from the manufacturer.
Now I get it, Fish-Killer. The clock was designed without support for the increment system I need (Bronstein). There is no way to add it with new configuration.

 

In my country, we understand BRONSTEIN as a delay and not an addition.

 

Here for us, the FISCHER increment is added in our time and not in the opponent's.

I think it's strange, but I'll have to accept it.

 

Unfortunately I lost the investment. Thank you all.

Micahsmith
Fish-Killer wrote:

This way of displaying the increment is the standard way. Another option is the Bronstein increment, but this clock doesn't support that since it's barely used.

Actually, the way the ZMF II and ZMF Pro display increment is the method that is barely used.

Micahsmith
klevertonmoises wrote:

Hello!

I received the return from the manufacturer.
Now I get it, Fish-Killer. The clock was designed without support for the increment system I need (Bronstein). There is no way to add it with new configuration.

 

In my country, we understand BRONSTEIN as a delay and not an addition.

 

Here for us, the FISCHER increment is added in our time and not in the opponent's.

I think it's strange, but I'll have to accept it.

 

Unfortunately I lost the investment. Thank you all.

Yes, "Bronstein" is one of the two forms of delay. "Fischer" is increment, regardless of when the increment is added to the display. Increment can be displayed in what is called the "add-after" method (the more common method on clocks by far), which is where the increment is added to the players display right after they press their clock or in the awful "add-before" method, which is where the clock waits until your opponent presses their clock for the increment to be added to your display. I see no good reason why clocks should include the "add-before" method, even as an option. 

ThrillerFan

The ZMF II actually does increment in the most standard fashion.

Chronos is a move behind.  It increments after the move.

DGT is standard from the fact that it increments before each move, which in the long run is correct as it is 30 sec increment for every move, INCLUDING move 1.  Something the chronos fails with.  With the DGT, it adds the time before the clock is started.  So if it is G/3, inc/2, both clocks show 3:02.

 

The ZMF II is the most standard.  You both start with 3 minutes.  When Black hits White's clock, it goes to 3:02 and counts down.  White spends 8 seconds on move 1.  When he hits the clock, his clock continues to show 2:54 and Black goes to 3:02.  Once Black hits his clock, white will go up to 2:56 and it immediately counts down. 

 

By doing it this way, if White's clock hits 0, Black can clearly see that it reads 0, not 2 seconds, until he hits his clock.  If he hits his clock, he can no longer make a claim, like repetition, 50 moves, or time forfeiture on White.

 

The ZMF II operates in the most standard fashion for FIDE.

ThrillerFan
Micahsmith wrote:
Fish-Killer wrote:

This way of displaying the increment is the standard way. Another option is the Bronstein increment, but this clock doesn't support that since it's barely used.

Actually, the way the ZMF II and ZMF Pro display increment is the method that is barely used.

 

Barely any Americans understand what is standard!