Is this stalemate??

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My friend and I need some clarification on stalemate. See the following FEN of our game. He is playing black and says its a stalemate because he can't move his king. However he does have 2 pawns with legal moves to make. I say it isn't a stalemate because he CAN move a pawn legally.

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It isn't stalemate. Engine also says mate in 1 for white. 

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Just to add to this. Here is an article that has added to his confusion. Maybe someone can add more clarity to this. https://www.chess.com/article/view/stalemate-your-opponent
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well since he can still move his pawn, it isn’t stalemate yet.
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The game is drawn when the player to move has no legal move and his king is not in
check. The game is said to end in ‘stalemate’. This immediately ends the game,
provided that the move producing the stalemate position was legal.

(FIDE Rules of Chess 5.2a)

 

In your case, Black does have legal moves (either pawn), so there is no stalemate.

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Sincky wrote:

He is playing black and says its a stalemate because he can't move his king.

Tell your friend that on move 1 of a chess game the king can't move either, so that's a silly way to think of the rule.

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Sincky wrote:
Just to add to this. Here is an article that has added to his confusion. Maybe someone can add more clarity to this. https://www.chess.com/article/view/stalemate-your-opponent

In that article it's only explained how some guys use the expression "stalemated or "stalemating".  Yes, that's a little confusing because it has nothing to do with the stalemate rule.  This means only to immobilise the opponent's forces by taking away squares their pieces can move to. Their are legal moves they have, but only bad ones. So they come under pressure of zugzwang.

I personally find this word creation quite ugly, redundant and misleading. Why not simply say "Black is almosed immobilised" instead of "almost stalemated"? Such I know from chess books and the usual wording in lessons here and so on.

If I'd been the editor of Kasparov's book, I wouldn't have allowed him that kind of coloquial and imprecise language! wink.png

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     Stalemate occurs only when one player cannot make ANY legal moves with ANY of his pieces and his King is not in check.

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mpaetz wrote:

     Stalemate occurs only when one player cannot make ANY legal moves with ANY of his pieces and his King is not in check.

Yes of course!

That's why I think to describe a situation on the board as "stalemated" is quite daft. But apparently some high level use this word in another context, as I've tried to explain above.