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lukegk
Green_Sleeves wrote:
Green_Sleeves wrote:

While I clearly have strong feelings about the war (just look at my avatar and blog), I do ask that we avoid discussion of politics, so that the mods don’t lock this thread.

Thanks!

I would like to reiterate, please help avoid this thread getting locked!

Please.

chubchoo

"Plays Israel national anthem"

TheLonelyJester

Hey, uh... I am a curious and politically minded American, and I try to stay as well informed as possible with the media that is available to me online (I am neither ignorant or narrow minded enough to believe that American media would ever have the ability or the motivation to inform me about the rest of the world), so I do have an opinion on the war, based on the information that is available to me. With that said, this isn't the appropriate place to be having this discussion. It has been repeatedly asked that the political conversation be stopped or moved to prevent the locking of this thread, and that's not a request that is at all unreasonable. Regardless of your beliefs or affiliations, please show the appropriate respect for the memory of a man who was a gifted chess player, regardless of the origin of the orders that he was given, and was trying to carry out, at the time of his death.

Doudoulou

Deleted Mod KS 

ArchEmperorSolev

That is hate speech.

UsernameWithoutNumbers
SweetPeaBuddy wrote:
PeerOli wrote:

why nobody talks about chess kids of gaza massacred by israeli bombing campaign

Why does nobody talk about Israel’s kids massacred and butchered on Oct.7th! Why does nobody talk about young girls being raped and sexually assaulted on Oct.7th! Why does nobody talk about Israel’s people on Oct.7th being burned alive! Why does nobody talk about babies being burned alive in ovens on Oct.7th! Why does nobody talk about Hamas using civilians as human shields! Why does nobody talk about Hamas not allowing Palestinians to leave Gaza! Why does nobody talk about Hamas wanting to wipe every Jewish person off the face of the earth! Why does nobody talk about Hamas hiding out in and underneath hospitals! Why does nobody talk about how Hamas doesn’t care about civilians being killed but only as propaganda! Why does nobody talk Hamas burning the kids captured in case they ran away! Why does nobody talk about how the hostages released and how bad they were treated by these animals! Why does nobody talk about how the only thing Hamas cares about the hostages is they are nothing more than bargaining chips! Why does nobody talk about Hamas stealing fuel, medical supplies, and food meant for hospitals and the Palestinians! Why does nobody talk about Hamas hugely inflating the death figures in order to gain public opinion! Why does nobody talk about how many civilians have died because Hamas wouldn’t let them leave! Why does nobody talk about in war civilians die! Why does nobody talk about Hamas started this war! Why does nobody talk about when the war is over there won’t be a Hamas!!!

Everyone talks about that, and that exactly is the issue. Both side had crimes, Hamas and Israel all attacked civilians, it's just that many people tried to justify israel's crimes.

BetaRealm

So. People are getting blocked left and right, and no one is responding to the arguments. A quote from my favorite book: "'Let's agree to disagree,' says someone, which here means 'I'm wrong but too embarrassed to admit it'"

No one is responding. People are just getting blocked. I mean UWN's argument isn't even supporting Hamas, but still, according to him, he is blocked. 19000 civilians were killed in Gaza. Nothing, literally Nothing, could justify that. I mean, with Gaza under such tight blockade measures and Israel having the Iron Dome, Hamas is no threat anymore. Killing 19000 civilians to stop Hamas is not justified in any way.

Green_Sleeves

The reason why I’m blocking people and not responding to arguments is because political debate is not allowed on the public forums. If I engage, then this thread will get locked by moderators. Instead, if one of my friends starts getting political, I PM him and ask him to stop, and if a stranger starts getting political I block him.

Green_Sleeves
TheLonelyJester wrote:

Hey, uh... I am a curious and politically minded American, and I try to stay as well informed as possible with the media that is available to me online (I am neither ignorant or narrow minded enough to believe that American media would ever have the ability or the motivation to inform me about the rest of the world), so I do have an opinion on the war, based on the information that is available to me. With that said, this isn't the appropriate place to be having this discussion. It has been repeatedly asked that the political conversation be stopped or moved to prevent the locking of this thread, and that's not a request that is at all unreasonable. Regardless of your beliefs or affiliations, please show the appropriate respect for the memory of a man who was a gifted chess player, regardless of the origin of the orders that he was given, and was trying to carry out, at the time of his death.

@BetaRealm, this post perfectly explains why I’m not responding.

ArchEmperorSolev

This is very. very well articulated, Chalky613. It is obvious that Hamas is a terror group, and that Hamas occupies Gaza. Given that Hezbollah is supplying Hamas, and that Hezbollah is a terror group, that makes Hamas a terror group, if it be just for their alliance with Hezbollah.

elyashiv-weiss
PeerOli כתב:

why nobody talks about chess kids of gaza massacred by israeli bombing campaign

Hamas invaded Israel first!

lukegk
elyashiv-weiss wrote:
PeerOli כתב:

why nobody talks about chess kids of gaza massacred by israeli bombing campaign

Hamas invaded Israel first!

While I agree with what you said, please keep this nonpolitical. We're trying to remember a chessplayer killed in the fighting, not discuss the politics surrounding the war.

elyashiv-weiss
lukegk כתב:
elyashiv-weiss wrote:
PeerOli כתב:

why nobody talks about chess kids of gaza massacred by israeli bombing campaign

Hamas invaded Israel first!

While I agree with what you said, please keep this nonpolitical. We're trying to remember a chessplayer killed in the fighting, not discuss the politics surrounding the war.

ok

Noam_Tal
BetaRealm wrote:

So. People are getting blocked left and right, and no one is responding to the arguments. A quote from my favorite book: "'Let's agree to disagree,' says someone, which here means 'I'm wrong but too embarrassed to admit it'"

No one is responding. People are just getting blocked. I mean UWN's argument isn't even supporting Hamas, but still, according to him, he is blocked. 19000 civilians were killed in Gaza. Nothing, literally Nothing, could justify that. I mean, with Gaza under such tight blockade measures and Israel having the Iron Dome, Hamas is no threat anymore. Killing 19000 civilians to stop Hamas is not justified in any way.

Just because Israeli brigades hold large parts of Gaza, doesn't mean Hamas is not a substantial security threat.
Trusting IDF estimates of 8,000-9,000 militants killed means there are at least 20,000 remaining Hamas militants in Gaza.

Israel is at risk of being dragged into a war with Hezbollah which is the most powerful non-state actor in the world with an arsenal of tens of thousands of long-range rockets that can reach all of Israel.

These rockets carry a big payload and likely will overwhelm the Iron Dome network by sheer numbers.
Hezbollah has more than enough missiles to incapacitate the vast majority of key Israeli infrastructure.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanons-hezbollah-what-weapons-does-it-have-2023-10-30/

Also, Israel has dropped 65,000 tonnes of bombs in this conflict.
Thats 65 kilotons
The bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima was equal to 21 kilotons of TNT.
The fact that 25,000 Gazans died compared to a minimum of 77,000 Japanese at Hiroshima makes a good case that Israel is making effort to minimize civilian casualties.
385 Civilian Gazan fatalities per Kiloton.
3,666 Japanese fatalities per Kiloton.
The absurd amount of ammunition that the IDF consumes doesn't give it the luxury to waste bombs without concrete tactical/operational justification.

Sorry for the long reply.

lukegk

Please, let's try to be unpolitical

UpbeatAngle

Reminder about no political discussions in the forums.

rancid_racoon07
PeerOli wrote:

@sweetpeabuddy do you still believe cheap Israeli lies and propaganda?

World is laughing through tik tok and twitter, how your IDF spokesman showing an arabic calender and telling that these are the names of hamas terrorist inside inside Al Shifa Hospital.

Why don't you read ur govt official statement. There is no babies butchered or beheaded as initailly claimed by Israeli war machine. Read your own Jerusalem Post or Haaretz newspaper. But in reality your Israeli government just massacred 6000+ babies in gaza indiscriminately as im writing this post.

You mentioned young girls raped ... what don't you ask your israeli hostages to know of how well they are treated and taken care of by their kidnappers. Why dont you watch the videos of EVERY KIDNAPPED ISRAELI PERSON WAVING HANDS 👋 TO SAY BYE TO THEIR KIDNAPPERS while release .

You talk about Oct 7 2023, Why don't you talk about 1940s when persecuted Jews of Europe asked refuge in state of Palestine. Your Own Prime Minster Golda Meir acknowledged that she is a Palestinian (so many videos in YouTube) . Your own Prime minister Shimon Pères had a Palestinian passport. You came to a land from europe and you are kicking out native Palestinians from home through arms and violence that's why they are forced to kidnap your people to release their children and women from ur israeli prison.

Why don't you see your own government records that how many Palestinian children under less than age of 15 are decaying in Israeli prison.

I'm neither Palestinian nor an Israeli ...I'm a human being, I can't watch people butchered by lies and propaganda .

It's your choice to open your eyes and to be a good jew or a terrorist zionist.

Shalom.

Buddy, the reason the hostages are waving is because they are FORCED to. If they don't make Hamas look humane, they will lose their lives to these terrorists. Additionally, you do not have the right to dictate what a 'good jew' is. Calling Zionists "terrorists" is an uninformed generalization. They are human. None of us want children and innocent civilians to be killed. Unfortunately, Hamas is using civilians as human shields, and the IDF has no choice. Hamas also blocks evacuation notices that the IDF sends to civilians. However, it is your choice to remain blind. I don't like to argue, so I will not be responding to comments regarding this post.

lukegk
rancid_racoon07 wrote:
PeerOli wrote:

@sweetpeabuddy do you still believe cheap Israeli lies and propaganda?

World is laughing through tik tok and twitter, how your IDF spokesman showing an arabic calender and telling that these are the names of hamas terrorist inside inside Al Shifa Hospital.

Why don't you read ur govt official statement. There is no babies butchered or beheaded as initailly claimed by Israeli war machine. Read your own Jerusalem Post or Haaretz newspaper. But in reality your Israeli government just massacred 6000+ babies in gaza indiscriminately as im writing this post.

You mentioned young girls raped ... what don't you ask your israeli hostages to know of how well they are treated and taken care of by their kidnappers. Why dont you watch the videos of EVERY KIDNAPPED ISRAELI PERSON WAVING HANDS 👋 TO SAY BYE TO THEIR KIDNAPPERS while release .

You talk about Oct 7 2023, Why don't you talk about 1940s when persecuted Jews of Europe asked refuge in state of Palestine. Your Own Prime Minster Golda Meir acknowledged that she is a Palestinian (so many videos in YouTube) . Your own Prime minister Shimon Pères had a Palestinian passport. You came to a land from europe and you are kicking out native Palestinians from home through arms and violence that's why they are forced to kidnap your people to release their children and women from ur israeli prison.

Why don't you see your own government records that how many Palestinian children under less than age of 15 are decaying in Israeli prison.

I'm neither Palestinian nor an Israeli ...I'm a human being, I can't watch people butchered by lies and propaganda .

It's your choice to open your eyes and to be a good jew or a terrorist zionist.

Shalom.

Buddy, the reason the hostages are waving is because they are FORCED to. If they don't make Hamas look humane, they will lose their lives to these terrorists. Additionally, you do not have the right to dictate what a 'good jew' is. Calling Zionists "terrorists" is an uninformed generalization. They are human. None of us want children and innocent civilians to be killed. Unfortunately, Hamas is using civilians as human shields, and the IDF has no choice. Hamas also blocks evacuation notices that the IDF sends to civilians. However, it is your choice to remain blind. I don't like to argue, so I will not be responding to comments regarding this post.

No politics please

rancid_racoon07
lukegk wrote:
rancid_racoon07 wrote:
PeerOli wrote:

@sweetpeabuddy do you still believe cheap Israeli lies and propaganda?

World is laughing through tik tok and twitter, how your IDF spokesman showing an arabic calender and telling that these are the names of hamas terrorist inside inside Al Shifa Hospital.

Why don't you read ur govt official statement. There is no babies butchered or beheaded as initailly claimed by Israeli war machine. Read your own Jerusalem Post or Haaretz newspaper. But in reality your Israeli government just massacred 6000+ babies in gaza indiscriminately as im writing this post.

You mentioned young girls raped ... what don't you ask your israeli hostages to know of how well they are treated and taken care of by their kidnappers. Why dont you watch the videos of EVERY KIDNAPPED ISRAELI PERSON WAVING HANDS 👋 TO SAY BYE TO THEIR KIDNAPPERS while release .

You talk about Oct 7 2023, Why don't you talk about 1940s when persecuted Jews of Europe asked refuge in state of Palestine. Your Own Prime Minster Golda Meir acknowledged that she is a Palestinian (so many videos in YouTube) . Your own Prime minister Shimon Pères had a Palestinian passport. You came to a land from europe and you are kicking out native Palestinians from home through arms and violence that's why they are forced to kidnap your people to release their children and women from ur israeli prison.

Why don't you see your own government records that how many Palestinian children under less than age of 15 are decaying in Israeli prison.

I'm neither Palestinian nor an Israeli ...I'm a human being, I can't watch people butchered by lies and propaganda .

It's your choice to open your eyes and to be a good jew or a terrorist zionist.

Shalom.

Buddy, the reason the hostages are waving is because they are FORCED to. If they don't make Hamas look humane, they will lose their lives to these terrorists. Additionally, you do not have the right to dictate what a 'good jew' is. Calling Zionists "terrorists" is an uninformed generalization. They are human. None of us want children and innocent civilians to be killed. Unfortunately, Hamas is using civilians as human shields, and the IDF has no choice. Hamas also blocks evacuation notices that the IDF sends to civilians. However, it is your choice to remain blind. I don't like to argue, so I will not be responding to comments regarding this post.

No politics please

ok