1. d4 Defense for Classical Scholastic: QGD or Slav? - Chess Forums - Page 5

testaaaaa

Jul 20, 2018

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#81

yes, thats a good video its probably better to play 2.Bf4 instead of 2.Nf3

Preggo_Basashi

Jul 20, 2018

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#82

DeirdreSkye wrote:

Preggo_Basashi wrote:

testaaaaa wrote:

you shouldnt play for draws with white in a tournament in which only first place counts

Ok, but at the same time, in a double round robin with the world's elite players you probably should take zero risks.

Caruana won the whole thing and 3 of his 6 decisive games were Petroffs (2 wins and 1 loss).

As white he won a d3 Spanish and a Qb3 Catalan. As black a queen's gambit... I wouldn't really call any of these fighting openings.

The problem is that the term "fighting opening" is used by amateurs or those who want to seel books to amateurs.Amateurs put the term boring to everything they don't understand and the term fighting to everything they half understand.As long as something has opposite side attacks it gets the label fighting , if it doesn't , it gets the label boring.

A good player can make any line and any opening a fighting one. On the other hand any of the so called fighting openings easily become a boring one if both players (or even if only one of them) wishes.

In a recent a lecture in my chess club an IM said that as long as you are not 2600 GM playing against 2600 GM, there are no boring openings or lines. The mistakes are enough to create winning chances in any line. But the point is , when you can't see them or exploit them , then the opening is boring. The easy way is to accuse always the opening.

Caruana played many exciting openings with the boring Petrof while I have seen countless unexciting games with the "interesting" King's Indian defense and Sicilian.

I mostly agree, and that was sort of my point. Caruana won the tournament without playing in a way an amateur would call ambitious... (or honestly even a professional I think... but I'm not sure).

Preggo_Basashi

Jul 20, 2018

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#83

SmyslovFan wrote:

Just the opposite! If you're playing in a closed tournament with the world's elite players, chances are you are an elite player. You should really take a look at the games the elite players actually play. Sure, there are a few GM draws. But just as often, the players get out of book early and are sacking or offering sacs of some sort all over the place. Those guys play all out!

Seriously! Go take a look at the complete tournament of any recent elite event, even one with a bunch of draws!

Karjakin - Kramnik at the candidates this year comes to mind as going for a win.

But honestly Caruana seemed to just be mr solid.

I didn't go over all the games, plus my memory may be poor, I'm just saying that was my impression.

But really, these super tournaments are won on about +3 after about 9 rounds and are full of berlins and anti berlins. If you want to see players really going for a win you have to look at swiss tournaments.

SmyslovFan

Jul 20, 2018

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#84

Caruana lays fiendishly deep traps. Try playing solitaire chess using Caruana's games. Record your responses, then see whether the moves that differed from Caruana or his opponent were actually good or if you fell for his traps.

pdve

Jul 20, 2018

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#85

SeniorPatzer wrote:

9-year old son. I informed him to play d5 in response to 1. d4. No KID, Grunfeld, Nimzo, Dutch until later. Want him to start with classical foundation, then branch out later if he chooses. 2 Questions:

1) Which is better for the 1000 - 1100 Scholastic to learn: QGD with 2... e6 or 2.... c6 (Slav)?

2) Which one has more flexiblity in meeting the 1. c4 and 1. Nf3 Openings? I.e., Is the QGD or is the Slav more easily "transferable" to playing against the English or the Reti? The answer to this question would seem to have some bearing on the choice between QGD or Slav.

Addendum. He knows Opening Principles. He'll soon be playing up against C, B, and A players. He's also learning e5 as response to 1. e4. So no French or Caro-Kann.

Which choice would you recommend between the two?

Both the QGD and Slav are good openings but I imagine slav requires a bit more finesse(for a 9 yr old) and the QGD is more natural so I would say QGD.

SmyslovFan

Jul 20, 2018

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#86

Don't forget, Tal, Spassky and Kasparov all played the Tarrasch at least occasionally when they were young.

torrubirubi

Jul 20, 2018

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#87

IMBacon wrote:

Considering your sons rating range, I would recommend the Slav. It allows the light squared bishop to get outside the pawn chain. There is a really good FREE book on the Slav, on chessable,com.

You should not mention Chessable when DSkye is around, he will tell that everybody there is laizy, even the titled players . He will say also that you have to work hard very hard if you want to get strong as he is. I would not be surprise if he walk around with a shirt written “work hard” on one side and “Chessablers are laizy” on the other side

Christopher_Parsons

Jul 20, 2018

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#88

torrubirubi wrote:

IMBacon wrote:

Considering your sons rating range, I would recommend the Slav. It allows the light squared bishop to get outside the pawn chain. There is a really good FREE book on the Slav, on chessable,com.

You should not mention Chessable when DSkye is around, he will tell that everybody there is laizy, even the titled players . He will say also that you have to work hard very hard if you want to get strong as he is. I would not be surprise if he walk around with a shirt written “work hard” on one side and “Chessablers are laizy” on the other side

lol....I can attest to this also...

testaaaaa

Jul 20, 2018

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#89

what did you buy, something about the queens gambit theres a gm selling his stuff but cant imagine thats bad work

testaaaaa

Jul 21, 2018

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#90

unfortunately theres not much else out there for the Qd8 scandi, in the lines in which the queen is not challenged Bartholomew recommends christian bauers play the scandinavian. And i like the fleamarket athmosphere at chessable ! Three days ago someone posted a destroy the dutch snipped together using only a few videos of amanov and akobian, dont expect too much but its free so no complaining^^

NM darkunorthodox88

Jul 21, 2018

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#91

testaaaaa wrote:

unfortunately theres not much else out there for the Qd8 scandi, in the lines in which the queen is not challenged Bartholomew recommends christian bauers play the scandinavian. And i like the fleamarket athmosphere at chessable ! Three days ago someone posted a destroy the dutch snipped together using only a few videos of amanov and akobian, dont expect too much but its free so no complaining^^

the scandinavian sidelines at move 3 are not particularly threatening. 3.d4 nc6! tranposes to the exchange nimzowitsch which black almost if not outright equalizes with, and if i remember correctly 3.nf3 bg4 is bauer's suggestion

testaaaaa

Jul 21, 2018

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#92

against 3.d4 3..e5 is johns suggestion but Nc6 is played only little bit later could be a transposition

torrubirubi

Jul 21, 2018

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#93

pfren wrote:

Chessable is a chess flea market, where random patzers try to sell fancy footworks (which they label as "opening surveys") to other random patzers.

I have purchased a serious survey there (yes, they are a few serious analysers there as well), by a non-patzer. I think it is one of the worst purchases I have ever made, but at least, now I know...

What is wrong for example withe the books by GM Alex Colovic? Or the repertoire by GM Leitão? Or books on tactics and endgames considered by many reviewers as good? And what about the possibility to learn by spaced repetition, making the learning process more efficient?

Preggo_Basashi

Jul 21, 2018

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#94

torrubirubi wrote:

what about the possibility to learn by spaced repetition, making the learning process more efficient?

I don't know about the quality of books on chessable, but I've been doing that with regular old paper books since forever... it's just good learning / study habits.

Maybe it's a lot easier online, which is great, I guess what I'm saying is such a feature isn't very compelling to me.

torrubirubi

Jul 21, 2018

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#95

One of the most diligent students there (logozar) is improving his rating rapidly. He was already 3500+ in tactics here and won recently a tournament (and 1500 dollars). I mean, the website can't be THAT bad by help so many people to make progress in the game.

See Aldo the costs. If I want to improve with a coach I will spend something between 20 and 80 dollars for one hour. For the same price I have enough material to learn hundreds of hours in Chessable by self study.

testaaaaa

Jul 21, 2018

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#96

he was not satisfied with the paid version of the Qd8 scandi, those repertoires are not set in stone though if you ake a comment that you think the analysis is too short a la " white gets 2 Bishops all the space " can you dig deeper you will get responses. One NM made some remarks and he added 3 lines or so to fill the gap.

Preggo_Basashi

Jul 21, 2018

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#97

torrubirubi wrote:

One of the most diligent students there (logozar) is improving his rating rapidly. He was already 3500+ in tactics here and won recently a tournament (and 1500 dollars). I mean, the website can't be THAT bad by help so many people to make progress in the game.

See Aldo the costs. If I want to improve with a coach I will spend something between 20 and 80 dollars for one hour. For the same price I have enough material to learn hundreds of hours in Chessable by self study.

This guy @Milliern is also a pretty serious student of the game, and has increased his OTB rating a lot over the last 1-2 years (I assume his chess.com rating too). He very much likes chessable. So yeah, I'm thinking it's not so terrible.

Pfren definitely knows a lot more about openings (and chess in general) than me or anyone we've mentioned so far, so that counts for something. But apparently it's good enough for people who aren't aiming for IM yet

torrubirubi

Jul 21, 2018

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#98

testaaaaa wrote:

he was not satisfied with the paid version of the Qd8 scandi, those repertoires are not set in stone though if you ake a comment that you think the analysis is too short a la " white gets 2 Bishops all the space " can you dig deeper you will get responses. One NM made some remarks and he added 3 lines or so to fill the gap.

You can also ask John Bartholomew about lines that are missing. I went through the whole repertoire and I was continuously asking questions about missing lines (JB answered all them). It is also important to use a database and other books to complement the repertoire.

I did the same with the 1.d4 repertoire. I used a lot of lines from other books to complement it, especially from Larry Kaufman.

testaaaaa

Jul 21, 2018

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#99

maybe someone can convince Ponz to make a free Ponziani-chessable repertoire it would go through the roof

Preggo_Basashi

Jul 21, 2018

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#100

But anyway... when I've tried to go through opening books I'm always bored really fast.

So I have this do-it-yourself sort of approach. I mostly use chessbase + stockfish (to blunder check the lines). I like to pull games from chessgames.com too.

I guess this is a lot more work, but I get to choose my own lines, and I stay interested long enough to actually put together a repertoire