Capturing on d5 doesn't involve a lot of theory. In other words it's easy to learn and you get a nice position... so you should do that.
I've played 1...d5 a lot in speed games and other moves (2.e5, 2.Nc3, 2.Nf3) aren't challenging.
1. e4 d5 2. e5!!?
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The move "e5?" after 1. e4 d5 breaks an opening rule.,and the best way for Black to wrest the advantage from White is to respond 1. e4 d5 2. e5? c5!. If your opponents are not responding with 2. ...c5 then you are simply playing weak players.
ponz111 wrote:
The move "e5?" after 1. e4 d5 breaks an opening rule.,and the best way for Black to wrest the advantage from White is to respond 1. e4 d5 2. e5? c5!. If your opponents are not responding with 2. ...c5 then you are simply playing weak players.
2. ... Bf5 says hello. d4 can then be met with c5. I don't see anything wrong with it.
Uhohspaghettio1 έγραψε:
ponz111 wrote:
The move "e5?" after 1. e4 d5 breaks an opening rule.,and the best way for Black to wrest the advantage from White is to respond 1. e4 d5 2. e5? c5!. If your opponents are not responding with 2. ...c5 then you are simply playing weak players.
2. ... Bf5 says hello. d4 can then be met with c5. I don't see anything wrong with it.
2...c5 is a better move for 2 reasons:
1. makes white's d2-d4 more difficult to achieve, e.g. by adding extra forces there by ...Nc6, ...Qb6 etc, and
2. The bishop can also go to g4, pinning a knight there and so achieving more control over the KEY d4 square.
And... no, 2...Bf5 does not say hello: this is the ideal square for the g8 knight, not the bishop.
jtt96 wrote:
I never thought of that. hmmm. How could that be countered?
One possible continuation after black replies Bf5 to the original. As long as your'e willing to trade Bishops, i think it could be defendable. (especially since your opponent probably doesn't have this opening memorized)
If Black replied g4, just reply Be2.
NOTE: this is a spur of the moment input and could be flawed.
Why not 3...Bxd3 giving White doubled pawns?
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
Black has a good french with the bishop outside the pawn chain
6 Be2 could transpose into the Short System in this position.
Chessflyfisher έγραψε:
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
Black has a good french with the bishop outside the pawn chain
6 Be2 could transpose into the Short System in this position.
A whole tempo down for white (...c5 played in one go).
Still, 2...c5 is the better move.
Optimissed έγραψε:
It's an absolutely terrible move for white. It's a reversed Caro Kann, in actuality. So black has an extra move and is effectively white.
A "reversed Caro Kann", with Black's pawn at e7?
May I ask what you are smoking?
Optimissed έγραψε:
pfren wrote:
Optimissed έγραψε:
It's an absolutely terrible move for white. It's a reversed Caro Kann, in actuality. So black has an extra move and is effectively white.
A "reversed Caro Kann", with Black's pawn at e7?
May I ask what you are smoking?
Pfren, in the Caro-Kann, black plays c6 to support d5, which is usually played on the second move. The e7 pawn remains on e7. I did not realise that your senility, although obvious, was so advanced. I'm sorry about it btw.
Are you surely an Englishman who does not know the meaning of "reverse", or just drunk?
Optimissed has caused clear trolls who were soon banned to forget their character and break down and cry at his "arguments". When he was younger he would apparently learn 10 moves at a time of opening theory just by reading them.
I always make this opening playing with my friends irl. I don't know if it actually has a name and it's recognised but I call it the b**ch gambit when I play it, as it's annoying for my friends to play against (it's their words not mine) and a bit counterintuitive against what you would normal play (pawn trade).
I think the line is not good, but it has an interesting gambit. Against 2 ... c5 you can play a "reversed Keres defense" and later sack the e-pawn to double your opponent's pawns and make their king weaker. I do not recommend it, however it could be a fun addition to try-out. (It also has a "blessing" from the engine)
Against 2 ... Bf5 it is a more boring and more positional game, but Ne2 could be a compelling approach from a practical point of view, trying to win tempi on the bishop or even trade it for the knight. (Also not suggested, but if you really want to play this "advanced Scandinavian" it could be an idea to experiment with)
Just take the Bishop.
Black doesn’t have to do anything in this position.
White Light Square Bishop is White’s best piece.
Black LSB is Black worst piece.
After the trade, Black position is very good.
It’s all bad for White.
In the other diagram, I would change the move order.
I wouldn’t play c5 as black to soon because White might take it and it might be there only hope to try and savage the catastrophe of their position.
You can see the difference between top example & below one.
White might try to hold on to pawn with b4 or Be3 making situation weird for Black which is unnecessary.
Wow, I am very curious about how it's a losing position after dxc3 and how you spot it. You said it is misassessed by the engine (#38) and I would be fascinated to see the refutation to it. Thanks a lot in advanced!
e4 d5 e5 just gives black an advance french without the french bishop weakness
Jun 17, 2024
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I play it all that time and have a decent win percentage. Have some advance French theory is a bonus. Ppl who play Scandinavian are not usually used to a blocked center so tailor it to your liking
1. e4 d5 2. e5 is definitely playable. I would only play e5 if you prefer strategical games (this mostly transpose into a sold French or Caro), but you better know the theory (the ideas, not memorizing the moves) behind both in and out. I’ve actually played this in tournaments for years, mostly against 1400-1900 USCF, and it’s worked just as well as anything else.
I am only 2171, and so some of my opposition still falls in that range, but boy if I could get this position every game as black I would never play another move but 1...d5 again