1. e4 vs 1. d4

This thread is why opening theory can be a waste of time.

"With 1.e4 i win!!!"-Bobby Fischer

i am a fan of e4 because it is easy to develop all the pieces

I don't care what others play. As long as they move quickly.

I am currently working on novelties for 1.c3 .... that has to be close to worst...

It's not that bad, you can always go into something like Colle system with 1. c3. It doesn't have many advantages though.

Please explain how the second most played opening move is refuted?

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e4 is better than d4 because the KID is awesome,only retards hate it

50% of the time you're going to be playing black. So being familiar with e4, d4 and c4 openings as well as the occasional nf3 etc. is prudent.

What does the Kings Indian defense have to do with it?

But against e4 you can use the Pirc which is basically the KID with different move order. :)

The Pirc is almost a pawn down after 3 moves, just ask the chess.com computer.

Neither is better, it is a matter of styles

d4 --->It is for players quieter

e4 --->Is for more aggressive players

I'm just learning so what are the big differences between the Pirc and the KID. To my amature eye, at the end of 5 moves both end up in this position. Whites side may be different but to me they play very similarly. Not trying to troll, just understand the differences.

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Attempts at a different move order, will begin to elicit different responses that, end up forcing the position away from the one you hoped to transpose to, especially as the skill of those you play increase. They will know better how to punish you for innacurate play.

What I believe now would be:

For Adults who wants to play reasonable game in short,

1.d4 is better try. Some of my friends, after I briefly cover some opening principles like development, space, center control,...

Reinvented the London system and give me a difficult game. What's heartbreaking is I need to design a queen trap to e q u a l i z e my game after a mistake, and still a difficult game for me to holds the queen against night , pawn , rook. Perhaps he is a bright beginner with experiance in other chess-form games.

Yet after he tried 1.e4 , without knowing any exact lines, you imagine...

I would say 1.e4 you need more study of early moves, say the correct path to the 5-7 move tybiya, with serous amount of tactical justification or "positional tactics". For 1.d4, the error margin is larger (Visually poor moves are often in fact nice sidelines or even strong system played in weird move order), and allows player to seeks and realize his own goal in more original way.

I should add that 1.e4 e5 contain nice and easy-to-find material for tactics and quick positional disaster and worthy to study. Yet, studying it and clinging to it are different things!

Lastly I would illustrate the danger of playing 1.e4 e5 without accquinted to the early lines : 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0

With the queens still on the board, can one without previous knowledge really play 5...f6, the taboo pawn push, without any doubt? 

Hope this gives an alternative view to the discussion. Thanks.

I play 1.d4 and there is a lot more sidelines I still at least win