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ClavierCavalier wrote:
Anonymous_U wrote:
pfren wrote:

Nah, not that easy....

Black isn't obliged to cooperate that much. For example, after 1.a3 d5 2.Nf3 c5 3.c4, the move 3...e6 is perfectly good. Black should be equal in most of these lines, as long as he doesn't fix the central pawn structure.

Well equality is good enough...

And, some

 

If Black doens't take, then we still have it fine.  Just fianchetto the King Bishop, and White should be fine.

 

Also, is playing 1.a3 an okay idea in OTB?

I have my first OTB tournament next week...

 

Any suggestions as in what to eat, how to prepare so my mind functions at its best?
times they will cooperate that much.  But even if they don't, there's not much to worry about.

 

If Black plays e6 then...

I don't like 4... dxc4.  Here's an alternate 4... that I thought up.  I wonder how sound it is:

 



Actually, this is what White wants.  White wants the center closed so that he can attack on the Queen Side.  Oh wait!  White can get a Reversed Benko here with +1 tempo again because here White can play b4!  

And even if White doesn't, White will definitely have a fine game!  As pfren said, White wants the center closed in order to attack the Queen Side.  

 

Even the engine says -0.35 about the position after Black plays d4, which is not bad.  

pfren
ClavierCavalier wrote:

IM pfren, what would you play as white's third move in this situation?

You got to be joking.

If not, then it's bad for you, and your overall understanding.

ANY move that protects e4 without violating chess principles (Nc3, Nd2, Bd3) is good enough for a large advantage.

ClavierCavalier
Anonymous_U wrote:
ClavierCavalier wrote:
Anonymous_U wrote:

How does playing the Reversed French make 1.a3 a loss of a tempo?

People seriously underestimate the power of the French.  Many people have no clue what they're doing against the french and usually get blown right off the board.  The french is a very good opening, and people understimating it is what makes people lose against the french.  So, yeah...

At our level, most people don't play the French. I've played it tons of times, but can't think of a single time I've seen it as white.  I've seen things like this a lot, but I wouldn't call it the French Defense:

 

IM pfren, what would you play as white's third move in this situation?

Yeah it's not a French Defense.  It's a REVERSED French Defense.

That doesn't matter.  The whole point is that I'm saying the French isn't common at our level, whether it is reversed or straight.  This means you get an advantage from playing an unfamiliar system. The French Defense isn't the ultimate opening.  Here are some examples of things I've seen:

Here is another thing I've seen quite a bit:




ClavierCavalier
pfren wrote:
ClavierCavalier wrote:

IM pfren, what would you play as white's third move in this situation?

You got to be joking.

If not, then it's bad for you, and your overall understanding.

ANY move that protects e4 without violating chess principles (Nc3, Nd2, Bd3) is good enough for a large advantage.

My main concern was that Nc3 will lead to the doubled pawns on the c-file.  I know doubled pawns are not always bad, but it's still something I'd worry about since most people at my level do the bishop/knight exchange instantly.  Nd2 blocks in the bishop, but that is just temporary.  None of my complaints seem to be an issue with 3. Bd3.  I'd still expect 3... Bb4+.

Anonymous_U

Dude I said that I play the french and very much like it. And i want to play it reversed too. I love the french defence. People normally suck at playing against it too. They think e5 is such a good idea, but it is actually one of their worst ways of playing against the french. I am playing it straight and reversed.

moonnie

There is nothing wrong with playing e5 in the french with white (1. e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5) it is called the advance france and just leads to a very different game plan for white but with enough venom to make live difficult for black

When i played e4 is used to play the advance french because it leads to quite clear strategic plans and not too many complex tactical motives.

ClavierCavalier
Anonymous_U wrote:

Dude I said that I play the french and very much like it. And i want to play it reversed too. I love the french defence. People normally suck at playing against it too. They think e5 is such a good idea, but it is actually one of their worst ways of playing against the french. I am playing it straight and reversed.

You seem to be unable to grasp the point.  I completely understand that you like to play the French.  The whole point is that most players at our rating suck at playing against it because they don't see it often, and to many it is completely unknown.  By the way, there are many fine examples of white victories against the French Advance variation.  Saying 3. d5 is a mistake is wrong.

stanhope13

Are you doing it 1.a3 for a laugh, or ar you being serious.

Anonymous_U

Serious obviously.

Irontiger
Anonymous_U wrote:
pfren wrote:

Nah, not that easy....

Black isn't obliged to cooperate that much. For example, after 1.a3 d5 2.Nf3 c5 3.c4, the move 3...e6 is perfectly good. Black should be equal in most of these lines, as long as he doesn't fix the central pawn structure.

Well equality is good enough...

Not if you are White ! the only idea here is to get something out of 1.a3 !!

Mihaialin

the best move at 1.e4 e6 is 2.d3

Irontiger
Mihaialin wrote:

the best move at 1.e4 e6 is 2.d3

It's a move that, IMHO, allows White to try for an advantage, but to claim that's the 'best' move would require you to prove it by serious analysis. It's just like saying 1.e4 (or 1.d4) is superior to 1.d4 (or 1.e4) : that's a groundless claim.

Besides, your line seems much flawed to me : the simple 4...e5 gives black an easy game if not a superior one (Qe2 leaves the d file and blocks the bishop), and in any case no serious black player would just wait that you attack the d file with a rook while keeping his queen on it.

ClavierCavalier
Mihaialin wrote:

the best move at 1.e4 e6 is 2.d3

 

If I played black, I wouldn't capture that pawn.  In fact, I think your queen move is bad.  There are other replies I didn't include, like c6.

Daeru

Why is this thread pinned? o.o

pfren

1. Only an idiot would take on d5 after 3.Qe2 Nf6.

2. Only another idiot would take back on d5 with the Queen.

Other than that, your analyses are remarkably brilliant. Keep them going! Tongue Out

pfren

I'm sorry, but someone who is placing his queen in a square as bizarre as e2 has to THINK first why he played that (and a good reason is needed, not something like "I saw Grandmaster XYZ recommending this"). The one and only positive thing this queen is doing there is protecting the e4 pawn, with an option to help him push at e5 at some time.

Now, have a player who plays 3.Qe2, and on the very next move he voluntarily exchanges his e4 pawn! Isn't he an idiot?

And no, he should not be classified as a newbie, because a newbie would NEVER play 3.Qe2 by himself, provided that he has attended lesson #1.

Anonymous_U
Irontiger wrote:
Anonymous_U wrote:
pfren wrote:

Nah, not that easy....

Black isn't obliged to cooperate that much. For example, after 1.a3 d5 2.Nf3 c5 3.c4, the move 3...e6 is perfectly good. Black should be equal in most of these lines, as long as he doesn't fix the central pawn structure.

Well equality is good enough...

Not if you are White ! the only idea here is to get something out of 1.a3 !!

That's just racist.  No, just kidding.

But really what's wrong with an equal position if you are playing the white pieces (notice how I avoid any form of racism).

 

Equal means equal.  It means both sides have the same chance to win.  I don't see how that's bad if you're playing white.  

AmaurosisScacchisti

You are not avoiding any form of racism, instead you are crudely maintaining an appearance. 

If white has an advantage from the first move, then why would he accept a equal game without baking black word for it? You only get white 50% of the time over the long run so you should capitilize on this chance whenever possible.

ClavierCavalier
thehedgehog2000 wrote:
pfren wrote:

1. Only an idiot would take on d5 after 3.Qe2 Nf6.

2. Only another idiot would take back on d5 with the Queen.

Other than that, your analyses are remarkably brilliant. Keep them going!

don't you think idiot is a little extreme? What about someone who does not understand the position instead of idiot?

Yes, a little extreme seeing how it's just a quick example of alternatives to 3... dxe4 and Mihaialin's extremely cramped position for black.  The impression I got from Mihaialin's position was that he intended to play 4. exd5, pinning the pawn to prevent recapture, and assumed that is why he said 3... dxe4, so, like I said, just a quick example of how black can still play 2... d5 without completely wasting their pawn.  I have the utmost respect for IM pfren and his vast knowledge, and I think many would benefit more from a better example.

I do agree with him on his 2 points.  I wouldn't take with the queen on d5.  I have almost a phobia of moving my queen before my minor pieces are developed.  I have played games with 1. e4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. Qe2 Nf6 4. exd5 Nxd5.  I did notice he didn't say anything wrong about how I wouldn't play 3... dxe4, and he agreed with me about 3. Qe3, so I must actually be on the right track.  Even though he's gruff, you can still find some nice things within his messages!

pfren

You DO have to understand though, that fortifying your e4 by Qe2, no matter if this move is good, or bad, and on the very next move destroying this strongold by ed5, is not just inconsistent: It is utterly ridiculous, and bad chess. Ufff...