1.e4 f5 : me and my oversized ego vs all of you

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SocialPanda

I´m happy to have been the first to post the last winning move for computer team Tongue Out

Good effort Tigre de Hierro Wink

Masterjatin

So he finally lost. It is not too great as he himself said in first post that he will lose.

If he used engine, it was a sure win.

LoekBergman

@Irontiger: Thanks for the fun and the insight how the different engines work!

Aetheldred
LoekBergman wrote:

@Irontiger: Thanks for the fun and the insight how the different engines work!

+1

MSC157

Well, I am not so sure if white easily wins that. It would be a loong looong struggle. :)

Unleash_the_Queens
SocialPanda wrote:

I´m happy to have been the first to post the last winning move for computer team 

Good effort Tigre de Hierro 

Oh, do we now say IronTiger in another language? Ok then... Σιδερένια Τίγρη.

Likhit1

Just shows how friggin good Engines are.Even a 2000 rated player couldn't convert a winning position on move 2.

solskytz

I'm not sure that any human, past or present (but maybe future), could beat a strong computer program after 1. e4 f5. 

In addition, I suppose that a ten-game match from this position between two equally-matched and reasonably strong opponents, may possibly end around 6.5-3.5, or 6-4, but not more than that. 

White is a pawn up and black's king is slightly compromised, but the pawn on f5 in case white takes, will be weak and doubled, and will have deviated from the center. The advantage may only be mild at this point (maybe titled players would see it differently)

MSC157

Those "me vs. engine" games are pretty interesting. I'd wonder if I were good enough to make such a challenge and last more that 25 moves. :)

Irontiger
MSC157 wrote:

Those "me vs. engine" games are pretty interesting. I'd wonder if I were good enough to make such a challenge and last more that 25 moves. :)

If you are counting "until checkmate", it is rather easy to last at least 30 moves. Losing a piece at move 10 to exchange the queens would be a good idea !

If we are counting "until obviously lost position", it is another matter.

 

I think good human players could win against the computer in those conditions. (and yes, I know that's quite a leap of faith to still believe that despite the computers having used my corpse to mop the floor recently)

MSC157

Yes, I meant obviously lost position (down on material and no attacking chances). Otherwise I'm sure you'd've last more than 30. :)

Jion_Wansu

There's already an f5 thread. It's the German or the German opening

Here is one of the main lines

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=1017028070

BirdsDaWord

Jion, this thread is from months ago :D

MuhammadAreez10

Join is insulting the Germans!

Jion_Wansu

I'm Bavarian!

BirdsDaWord

It is more properly known as the Duras Gambit, in honor of Oldrich Duras.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1274496

Here is a game in which Duras uses 1. e4 f5 to defeat Bernstein.

The opening is also called the Fred Defense.  I don't think it is appropriate to name it the German Opening, unless you want to do something like:

Fred Defense, German Variation (or something to the like).

Jion_Wansu

How about Bavarian Gambit

ANOK1

for any gambit to be worth its salt its gotta be viewed declined

1 e4 ....f5

2 d4 .... jion what when white declines and gambits there pawn ????

BirdsDaWord

That is the Staunton Gambit though.  These lines have already been essayed.  

Elroch

I suggest that this black gambit be renamed the Dumas defense, with a slightly non-standard pronunciation.