1.e4 f5 : me and my oversized ego vs all of you

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Irontiger

It looks like the computer have a favorite... I will let you a bit more time though.

 

@human players : I cannot really attack the black kingside without castling queenside, and I really can't castle queenside with a pawn on c4.

I mean, maybe I could, but I'm not doing that against a computer.

MSC157

What prevents us from playing O-O and Re8 then?

upen2002

Well, being rated 1600+ FIDE I tested 1.e4 f5 against my comps(Houdini, Komodo , Stockfish DD , Crafty , Fritz , Rybka , DeepRybka) with white and won with ease. Don't think it's going to be so difficult for a ~2000 to defeat the beasts. My comps were toasted.

chesswiz625

I think the reason the computers think 0-0 is better is 9. Nf3 Bxe6 10. Ng6 forces a queen trade. Keeping the queens on is probably our best chance, so 0-0 seems to be the best move. Bxe6 should be inevitable, so the material isn't going away.

LoekBergman

@chesswiz625: thanks for the insight. :-)

ClavierCavalier

I honestly can't believe that a 1600+ player can win against any of those engines with a +1 advantage when installed on a decent computer.  If a 1600 player were to play an FM in classic time controls, I'd bet heavily on the FM.

Shuhister

ClavierCavalier +1

Better not to rely on chinese soft :)

Doggy_Style

Nothing fresh being suggested, therefore:

 



Shuhister

Better was to take... With Bishop or Queen, doesn't matter. Now Ng5 is pretty bad for us...

Doggy_Style
Shuhister wrote:

Better was to take... With Bishop or Queen, doesn't matter. Now Ng5 is pretty bad for us...

All the top engines disagree with your opinion.

Shuhister
Doggy_Style

 

Analysis by Stockfish.

chesswiz625
Horace44 wrote:
 

I don't really like black's chances here. White has all the positives in the position.

Not true. Black has a developmental advantage, although I worry that Black really has no way to take advantage of this before white develops. Either way, I think it is wise to delay Bxe6. Opening the file seems to only strengthen white's attack, and like I said, I don't think it is possible for white to hold the pawn anyway, though you can always engine check to see how long we can wait before it is too late. I honestly wish we didn't play 5. ... c4 . Closing the position hurt our chances for dynamic counterplay, which really was our best chance. Being down a pawn allows for quicker development in some positions. 

Irontiger

Keeping with the "plan" - 0-0, to maybe have an oportunity to play Re1.



MSC157

What happens if we play Re8 now?

ViktorHNielsen

If i could get that position with white every time, my results would really improve. Why does noone play 1... f5?

Doggy_Style

Stockfish @ 37plies has 10. .... Nc6 ahead of 10. .... Bxe6 by a very small margin (0.06).

Aetheldred

Komodo TCEC @33 plies likes 10...Nc6

LoekBergman

Sjeng suggests after having reviewed 14.052.001 positions Qxe6.

SocialPanda

10... Nc6