I looked at his games and yes my suspicion was correct. Sveshnikov frequently plays 5. dxc5, and with great results.
He thinks that while both are winning 5. Nf3 simply leads to an easier win
The last time he played 5.dxc5 was 26 years ago, against Nukhim Rashkovsky.
True, but I think we can both agree that both dxc5 and Nf3 are strong moves.
"… Black is just lost after [1 e4 c5 2 c3 d5 3 exd5 Qxd5 4 d4 Nc6 5 dxc5]. He can ... sacrifice the pawn by taking on d1 in which case there is insufficient compensation for the pawn and black loses, …" - staples13 (#213, ~25 days ago)
"'... the critical 5...Qxd1+ 6 Kxd1 e5, gaining dangerous compensation …' - IM Richard Palliser (2007)" - kindaspongey (#283, ~24 days ago)
"That is what we play in a daily game at the moment." - BobbyPhisher960 (#285, ~24 days ago)
"Congrats BobbyPhisher so far you have the honor of being the only individual to have a win against the Alapin posted on this thread. Below is the daily unrated game we played. Obviously white had a big advantage out of the opening, as black chose to play a variation where he sacrifices a pawn for the initiative. This variation is known to grandmasters to have insufficeint compensation for black, but here black was able to wiggle his way through somehow. ..." - staples13 (#385, ~18 hours ago)
"Actually, GM say that Black's compensation is very dangerous. I suggest you to play Nf3 instead of dxc5." - BobbyPhisher960 (#388, ~13 hours ago)
"An illiterate patzer named Evgeny Sveshnikov scorns 5.dxc5 ans suggests 5.Nf3 instead. You should go out and educate him." - IM pfren (to staples13) (#390, ~5 hours ago)
"... I very much respect Sveshnikov as he is a great practitioner of the Alapin. I don’t think he’s claiming that dxc5 is a bad move I think what he’s claiming is that Nf3 is even stronger and an easier more direct path to victory. I have not analyzed this Nf3 line as I don’t play it, but I’m sure GM Sveshnikov is correct that it’s a very strong move … I looked at his games and yes my suspicion was correct. Sveshnikov frequently plays 5. dxc5, and with great results. He thinks that while both are winning 5. Nf3 simply leads to an easier win" - staples13 (#391-2, ~5 hours ago)
"Here is one of his brilliant [(1973)] wins in this dxc5 line. I already posted his win against Taimanov in this line earlier in the thread. …" - staples13 (#394, ~4 hours ago)
"The last time he played 5.dxc5 was 26 years ago, against Nukhim Rashkovsky." - IM pfren (#408, ~4 hours ago)
"True, but I think we can both agree that both dxc5 and Nf3 are strong moves." - staples13 (#410, ~2 hours ago)
Is it still being claimed that there are grounds for believing that Black is just lost after 5 dxc5 ?
Staples: Here's a reality check. THE ALAPIN DOES NOT DESTROY THE SICILIAN. Its good, sure, but not great. Your opening principles that you state in your first post, the alapin ALSO violates said principles. And yeah, it tells black to shut up about his dreams of d4, don't you think, by your opening principles, the closed sicilian is better don't you think? Black cant have an open d4, you have a developed piece, AND as for d4 in itself, defending it can wait, as NOBODY would play c4? (aiming for cxd4 then dxc3). Think about it
Oh no. I'm going to spend 1. More. Post. On this thread. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL WHO IS UNINTENTIONALLY TROLLING.
I’m a troll who’s unintentionally trolling?? That’s a new one.
Obviously that’s nonsense. Im trying to engage in a legitimate analysis of the Alapin that’s why every game I’ve posted has been a legitimate, complete, and thorough analysis full of useful ideas and principles.
I would not claim that it’s winning if I lost my next 12 games playing it.
All I’m saying is that, Sveshnikov, the most successful Alapin player of all time, has had excellent results playing this line.
I’m a troll who’s unintentionally trolling
Another way to say it is, either [person] is acting like an idiot, or it's not an act.
Either way, the results are the same.
Perhaps Nf3 is a better move though. This is possible. There is sometimes more ways than one to win. Anyone is welcome to demonstrate that 5. Nf3 is an excellent move, and if so I will gladly start playing it as well. I am capable of learning on this thread as well. Not every post has to be me teaching others about the Alapin
Also horrible tomato is going to accuse me of being a troll hahaha. A touch ironic in my opinion. Pot calling the kettle black me thinks
Is it still being claimed that there are grounds for believing that Black is just lost after 5 dxc5 ?
… staples13 will still claim that 5.dxc5 is winning, even if he loses twelve more games in a row.
"I would not claim that it’s winning if I lost my next 12 games playing it. All I’m saying is that, Sveshnikov, the most successful Alapin player of all time, has had excellent results playing this line." - staples13 (~17 minutes ago)
Is it still being claimed that there are grounds for believing that Black is just lost after 5 dxc5 ?
Yes Kindaspongey. Thank you. Feel free to prove me wrong if you feel otherwise
Yes Kindaspongey. Thank you. Feel free to prove me wrong if you feel otherwise
If I do not prove you wrong, does that amount to grounds for believing that Black is just lost after 1 e4 c5 2 c3 d5 3 exd5 Qxd5 4 d4 Nc6 5 dxc5 ?
No. I already believe that, but i have an open mind, and am more than willing to admit when I’ve been proven wrong. What we’re engaged in is an intellectual discussion in the pursuit of truth. If you choose to do an analysis I’m sure it would be very much welcomed by the thousands of users who have read and learned from this thread and who continue to do so.
If I do not prove you wrong, does that amount to grounds for believing that Black is just lost after 1 e4 c5 2 c3 d5 3 exd5 Qxd5 4 d4 Nc6 5 dxc5 ?
"No. I already believe that, …" - staples13 (~3 minutes ago)
On what grounds?
Based on the dominant play of Sveshnikovn in this line. As best I can tell he has never lost a game playing this line
Based on the dominant play of Sveshnikovn in this line. As best I can tell he has never lost a game playing this line
What about failing to win?
Kind of like how he claims the Alapin wins by force, but he has a large negative score in the mainline.
I score 60% wins 32% loss and 8% draw against the 2. d5 mainline , and I score 51 % win 41 % loss and 8% draw against the other mainline 2. Nf6.
Those are both excellent positive numbers
Based on the dominant play of Sveshnikovn in this line. As best I can tell he has never lost a game playing this line
What about failing to win?
I’m not sure. It’s possible someone has drawn him in this line
Well if you go 6 moves deep and ignore all the lines where I have a winning record and only post the 2 lines where I have a slightly losing record than yeah. But that’s not a very honest approach now is it. I could make Magnus Carlsen and Garry Kasparov look bad if I analyzed their results that way
For those of you who have demonstrated skepticism of the Alapin in this thread it’stime for you to back up your talk.
51/100 slots for the Sicilian Alapin Open daily tournament I created have been filled the rest will go quickly. You’ve all talked a big game now you have to back it up. It’s time to join and try to survive the Alapin.
https://www.chess.com/tournament/sicilian-alapin-open-1
Magnus Carlsen hates playing against the Alapin. Look at the game I posted earlier in the thread where he played GM David Smerdon who completely dominated Carlsen using the Alapin