A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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staples13

Excellent post KWolverine. 

Yes playing an opening once means nothing. I’m sure there were plenty of people who played 2. c3 before Semyon Alapin, but  he was the first to do it consistently, so he is who the opening is named after.

I’m sure there were people who have played the Staples13 variation of the Alapin a few times before me, but none of them did it with the frequency or success that I’ve used it with. Also I helped to popularize it here on chess.com

OpeningTheorist
staples13 wrote:

Excellent post KWolverine. 

Yes playing an opening once means nothing. I’m sure there were plenty of people who played 2. c3 before Semyon Alapin, but  he was the first to do it consistently, so he is who the opening is named after.

I’m sure there were people who have played the Staples13 variation of the Alapin a few times before me, but none of them did it with the frequency or success that I’ve used it with. Also I helped to popularize it here on chess.com

Hahahaha this troll wink.png

staples13

OpeningTheorist you are a good poster who is a fellow practitioner of the Alapin, so instead of arguing I think we’d be better served to continue to help the chess.com public  better understand the beautiful Alapin Variation of the Sicilian. 

I’m sure everyone would be grateful if you’d post one of your wins in the Alapin, so we can analyze it and  continue to teach everyone the main ideas of the Alapin

 

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:
OpeningTheorist wrote:
staples13 wrote:

... I have given dozens of games and reasons why the Alapin busts the Sicilian 

I would like to know the reasons

Well you’re in luck. There are hundreds of posts worth of valuable information.

"In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force. ..." - staples (#1, August 27, 2018)

"... Black has 2 main move , 2...d5, ... and 2...Nf6 ..." - UzayAltay (#12, August 27, 2018)

"... I think you should back up your claim with more reasons why 2...d5 or 2...Nf6 might fail for Black. ..." - wiahwib (#32, August 27, 2018)

"... Yes d5 and nf6 do provide much stiffer resistance than any of black's other responses. I, however, believe black is still lost even after these moves. I will post an analysis shortly." - staples13 (#38, August 27, 2018)

"... I’m gonna analyze nf6 ..." - staples13 (#73, August 29, 2018)

"Try your opening against latest Stockfish on your desktop, give SF 1 min per move thinking time. Post your pgn at move 12. Let me know whether black is busted or not!! ..." - drmrboss (#102, September 1, 2018)

"Here's my game with Stockfish. It wasn't able to equalize against my Alapin and its position is probably lost. ... Admittedly I couldn’t figure out how to download stockfish so I had to guess as to what moves stockfish would have played, but I think I probably got it right" - staples13 (#106-7, September 1, 2018)

"... I will continue on to show why 2. e5 and 2. Nf6 loses over the next couple days as promised" - staples13 (#347, ~13 days ago)

OpeningTheorist
staples13 wrote:

OpeningTheorist you are a good poster who is a fellow practitioner of the Alapin, so instead of arguing I think we’d be better served to continue to help the chess.com public  better understand the beautiful Alapin Variation of the Sicilian. 

I’m sure everyone would be grateful if you’d post one of your wins in the Alapin, so we can analyze it and  continue to teach everyone the main ideas of the Alapin

 

That seems great to me but I'm not premium so I can't search specific openings on my archive :/ 

staples13

Oh. Fair enough. I will pick out a particularly instructive one and post it then if you don’t mind!

OpeningTheorist
staples13 wrote:

Oh. Fair enough. I will pick out a particularly instructive one and post it then if you don’t mind!

Yeah go ahead happy.png

Tho I never face 2.Nf6 wich is the best move

congrandolor

I'm sorry to agree with staples this time, Alekhine played the Alekhine defense once, yet they named The defense after him.

OpeningTheorist
congrandolor wrote:

I'm sorry to agree with staples this time, Alekhine played the Alekhine defense once, yet they named The defense after him.

Once? False. He even won great players like Maroczy, Steiner, Mieses... with it.

staples13

Here is a beautiful game played by OpeningTheorist posted with his permission. The time control is 10 minute no increment. Notice how his rapid development and complete domination of the center won him the game. Black is already way too far behind in development and center control to be moving his queen out on move 2, but black did and he paid the price.

Beautiful game. You fine sir are a worthy practitioner of the Alapin.

 

staples13
congrandolor wrote:

I'm sorry to agree with staples this time, Alekhine played the Alekhine defense once, yet they named The defense after him.

I did not know that about Alekhine. Thanks for sharing!

OpeningTheorist
staples13 wrote:

Here is a beautiful game played by OpeningTheorist posted with his permission. The time control is 10 minute no increment. Notice how his rapid development and complete domination of the center won him the game. Black is already way too far behind in development and center control to be moving his queen out on move 2, but black did and he paid the price.

Beautiful game. You fine sir are a worthy practitioner of the Alapin.

 

Thank you happy.png I came back to playing chess so I'm not as good as I was.

OpeningTheorist
staples13 wrote:
congrandolor wrote:

I'm sorry to agree with staples this time, Alekhine played the Alekhine defense once, yet they named The defense after him.

I did not know that about Alekhine. Thanks for sharing!

You didn't know that becouse it's not true, Alekhine played the Alekhine more than 30 times even though Grünfeld was the one to develop the theory on it

staples13

Well keep it up fine sir. Keep destroying people with the Alapin. Soon there will be no one left playing any other variation of the Sicilian

AGW2016

e4, c5, c3, nf6, e5, nd5, d4, ed, nf3, e6, cd, d6, nc3, nc3, bc, qc7, bd2, nd7=

good for black

staples13
littleLizz wrote:

Ehmmm… There's a reason you don't see much c5 at the highest levels, although I'm not sure if c3 or Nf3 is better. The main reason it's got a bad rap, though, is because of the people with 3-digit ratings who play it because it's "cool" (and get crushed in 10 moves lol).

 

The game posted above, however, does not help to refute the Sicilian. I mean, come on! 2.... Qa5? 3....b5? 4.... b4? What garbage is that? Black played so badly, even a lowly player like me can see his mistakes!

Of course black can always play differently. In which case he merely loses differently 

staples13

Littlelizz I see you’re an Alapin player as well!!! It’s good to see another practitioner of the Alapin!

staples13
littleLizz wrote:
staples13 wrote:

Littlelizz I see you’re an Alapin player as well!!! It’s good to see another practitioner of the Alapin!

Nice to meet you! The Alapin is my favorite opening as White. Very solid and fights very well in the center, which is the type of game I like. I play the Caro-Kann as Black for the very same reason as I play the Alapin as White - because they are both very strong!

Nice. The Alapin is my favorite opening too. Feel free to post any of your brilliant wins in the Alapin on this thread anytime!

staples13

That’s an interesting game Optimissed. It’s not an Alapin game though. Perhaps your opponent would’ve done better if he had played the Alapin instead of the inaccurate 2. Nf3

Carbon6
staples13 wrote:

Well keep it up fine sir. Keep destroying people with the Alapin. Soon there will be no one left playing any other variation of the Sicilian

Yeah, the alapin is good and all, but you always say "2. Nf3 is inaccurate because it gives black drawing chances". I don't see the point of that. Nf3 is great (even though in OTB I play 2.Nc3). I just don't see the point of why an open center is bad. The alapin is in a way "ruining" sicilian as its supposed to be open, dynamic and aggressive but the Alapin just make is positional. My verdict would be that it is a useful, but unnecessary and harmless variation, and it is much upto the player on how its done. Also what GMs say that it is literally "harmless" because it literally is a Caro-Kann (which is also considered "harmless" but what makes it dangerous is that in Karpov's eyes, he does it really well), it makes no threats, and makes a "boring" and "obvious" game. Sure, you and Alapin have succeeds with it but that's because you pretty much know the opening like a brother, and you can seamlessly use it in all scenarios. Its kinda like how Steinitz is one of the only people who can effectively use the Steinitz gambit, and nobody else can figure out how its good