A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

Was it a travesty on August 29?

Was it a travesty ~15 days ago?

Has staples13 proposed a specific tenth move for White after the hypothetical 9...cxd4 ?

"Here's a crushing win in a 3 minute no increment blitz game against 2. Nf6" - staples13 (~9 hours ago)

Another game:

Yes. We need more 2. Nf6 games analyzed on this thread. I’ll add another one later today .

Thanks Sibi, come on guys keep the ideas pouring in for how we’ll combat 2. e6!

And to answer your question Kindaspongey 10. Nb5 and white is better

"... 10. Nb5 and white is better" - staples13 (~23 minutes ago)

Remember this? --> "... 10.Nb5 fails to Qf5! ..." - IM pfren (~17 hours ago)

Feel any obligation to identify a White response to the hypothetical 9...cxd4 10 Nb5 Qf5 ?

Does the spirit of analysis move you to identify a winning improvement for White?

Why should Black ever play the stupid move 9...Nf6? instead of the natural and well-established 9...e6, and why white should respond to it with all that crap and not just 10.d5?

Are ALL your analytical stuff that deep? 3-minute patzer games without any useful comments?

Here is a recent game on the line- just 63 years old. I can imagine Efim eating his cigarette with anger, since he failed to convert his winning advantage around move 20. Please comment on it- we need some laughter!

Kindaspongey I fail to see how Qf5 solves anything. Black is going to be down an exchange with a king that can’t castle, who’s stuck in the middle of the board with the center now open and white has greater development. Somehow I don’t think black is going to survive that even if he does manage to capture white’s trapped knight

Pfren, Unzickers winning advantage was gone long before move 20.  I’m assuming he isn’t an Alapin player becuase no c3 expert  would play such foolish opening moves. Obviously he was an incredible talent so he managed to come back from the grave to draw this game

In fact looking at Unzickers games he hardly ever played 2. c3 he played almost exclusively 2. Nf3 against the Sicilian, so it’s understandable why he didn’t know any Alapin theory and played so poorly in the opening

Care to show a couple of lines? I fail to see how the heck white is going to win the exchange- actually the only move that is not outright bad is 11.Bg3 because Black has to take at f3 straightaway.

Thank you for demonstratin the point that I’ve been trying to make whenever we analyze these d5 lines Pfren which is that Na6! needs to be played and it needs to be played earlier than move 9. Otherwise white’s development isn’t rapid enough and black can catch up and draw. If white plays Na6 earlier his position would’ve been crushing, but since he waited he only comes out with a small advantage

First of all, if white plays Na6 in any part of the opening, he will be warned by the arbiter (illegal move).

Second, Black is better after 10...Qf5 in the above game, and it seems to me that white has to play 11.Bg3, as after 11.Nc7+ Kf8 12.Bg3 I do see a stupidly placed piece: The knight at c7, while the rook at h8 is doing just great after a quick ...h5. Oh, and white is a pawn down, with no obvious way to create some play.

"Needs to be played earlier than move 9" -when?

At move 2, probably? Yes, 2.Na3 against the Sicilian is not worse than 2.c3...  

You say 2. Na3 is as good as the Alapin?

Well that is a bold statement. Perhaps you can show us some of your brilliant victories in this 2. Na3 line then?

Let me know if you want to play in the next couple of hours rychessmaster

I can show you games by other patzers, for free.

My own games are of very high quality, so each one will cost you $ 35.

Na3 is a pretty well known move in the alapin (maybe even part of the main line?) so... I don't know why you'd be surprised it's playable on move 2.

ok that is very interesting