A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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staples13

Yes in that line 6. Nf3 is still winning

kindaspongey
"... Does staples13 claim that White is winning after 1 e4 c5 2 c3 d5 3 exd5 Qxd5 4 d4 cxd4 5 cxd4 Nc6 6 Nf3 ? …" - kindaspongey (~6 hours ago)
staples13 wrote (~14 minutes ago):

Yes in that line 6. Nf3 is still winning

Then why did Sveshnikov only get a draw? He had the same position after his 6th move. If it was winnining at that point, doesn't that mean that there has to be an improvement for White at move 7 or later? Are we going to see staples13 identify a winning improvement for White?

 

staples13
BobbyPhisher960 wrote:

And if we look at the position after 2... e6, could you please explain how is Black lagging in development/central control?

White has a pawn in the center and black does not. Also its white to move, so black is down two tempi not just one

staples13

In the game you posted white was completely winning until he played 12. Qa4+ a pointless move that lost his advantage. Qe2 would've maintained the winning advantage

kindaspongey
"... White is winning after 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. d4 cxd4 5.cxd4 Nc6. ..." - staples13 (~15 hours ago)
"... Does [6. Nf3] preserve a forced win, toss away a forced win, what?" - kindaspongey (~10 hours ago)
"Yes in that line 6. Nf3 is still winning" - staples13 (~10 hours ago)
"... Are we going to see staples13 identify a winning improvement for White? ... Sveshnikov vs. ... Meijers ... 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 d5 4. exd5 Qxd5 5. d4 cxd4 6. cxd4 e5 7. Nc3 Bb4 8. Bd2 Bxc3 9. Bxc3 e4 10. Ne5 Nxe5 11. dxe5 Ne7 12. Qa4+ … 1/2-1/2" - kindaspongey (~10 hours ago)
staples13 wrote (~5 hours ago):

In the game you posted white was completely winning until he played 12. Qa4+ a pointless move that lost his advantage. Qe2 would've maintained the winning advantage

Are we going to see staples13 identify a winning improvement for White?

staples13

Black has pawns that control a center square. White has pawns that control center squares, and one that is in a center square. Black has no pawns in then 4 center squares, so white is better

staples13

d8 is not a good square for the queen. Undeveloped. e4 is an excellent square for a pawn to be on. In fact it’s probably the strongest square a pawn can be on

staples13

I know that’s why white can’t play 3. d4 otherwise it’ll become a French Defense

staples13

Pfren. You want to put your pawns in the center squares. This is pretty much the first concept that is taught in every single chess book for beginners everywhere. This is not a new concept that I invented. This is a very old very established concept. 

Fact of the matter is after 2. e6 white has a pawn on one of the four important central squares ( d4 d5 e4 e5) and black does not. 

staples13

Dang it chess.com.

I appreciate you banning engine users but please leave their comments on the thread. They usually have provided good insightful analysis that is now gone from this thread

staples13

Black does have a slight development advantage in the game you posted. But  Yeah I absolutely prefer the white pieces in the position you have posted.

Would you rather have black there?

HolographWars
pfren wrote:
staples13 έγραψε:

Black does have a slight development advantage in the game you posted. But  Yeah I absolutely prefer the white pieces in the position you have posted.

Would you rather have black there?

 

Black has no development advantage whatsoever here.

Normally I wouldn't mind, but I think that reading and largely memorizing 616 pages of dense theory on this defence is time not well spent. Usually I'm bothered finding the tiniest of advantages against this thing as white, but so far I have nothing convincing.

 

White has a large advantage here.

John0137

At the begining you tend to think the same, as the person who opened this discussion, that the sicilian defense is not a great defense, that allows white a big and comfortable development, that black lack of space and that the threats that black makes are not that much dangerous because is a minority attack and on the queen side; but as more as you master the game, and comprehend deep ideas, you notice that is not such as the case... remember that most of us are very lower rated player and dont know much how to really make and effective attack whitout blundering pieces, or getting into strategically lost positions. The sicilian defense is a complicated defense to hold and to prove advantage for lower rated people; It is an opening that for this reasons is not teach to begginners if you have those ideas maybe you need to improve in the understanding of this defense... Just my opinion

kindaspongey
staples13  wrote:

… Here's another 3 minute no increment blitz game against a very strong player. … Yes weak players struggle against the Alapin, but strong players struggle against it to because with best play in my opinion black loses to the Alapin.

Another game:

Are we going to see staples13 identify a winning improvement for White?

HolographWars

Who cares about grandmaster's games when no one here is a GM? The crucial thing is that it works against Staples13's opposition.

kindaspongey
HolographWars wrote:

Who cares about grandmaster's games when no one here is a GM? The crucial thing is that it works against Staples13's opposition.

Crucial for deciding whether or not White has a forced win after 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

("After 2. C3 black is in my opinion lost." - staples13)

HolographWars
kindaspongey wrote:
HolographWars wrote:

Who cares about grandmaster's games when no one here is a GM? The crucial thing is that it works against Staples13's opposition.

Crucial for deciding whether or not White has a forced win after 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

You don't need no master games. If its a forced win 4 u then it is. For some people it's a forced win for black because "there is no remedy to d5" lol

kindaspongey
HolographWars wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
HolographWars wrote:

Who cares about grandmaster's games when no one here is a GM? The crucial thing is that it works against Staples13's opposition.

Crucial for deciding whether or not White has a forced win after 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

You don't need no master games. If its a forced win 4 u then it is. For some people it's a forced win for black because "there is no remedy to d5" lol

"... with best play in my opinion black loses to the Alapin." - staples13

Seems to me that investigation is appropriately done by trying to look at best play.

staples13

Thank you to everyone who joined my Sicilian Alapin Open. I’m happy to inform you all that I have survived and advanced to round 2!

 

Frank604

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