A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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staples13
littlesoldier123 wrote:

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 d6 6. cxd4 Nc6 7. Bc4 dxe5

0.00 depth 56

8. Bxd5 and then I’d like to make a conditional move of 9. Nc3 when stockfish plays 8. Qxd5

littlesoldier123
HolographWars wrote:
littlesoldier123 wrote:
HolographWars wrote:

Then use dat line in practice. Does it work? Wanna play?

I am happy to host a match between you and stockfish.

I accept challenge. Let’s see what stockfish has. Playing now.

Sorry but my current computer resources only allow me to host one match between stockfish and staples13. You can always run stockfish on your own computer and play it. Do let us know about your game!

staples13
here you go Kindaspongey

 

SaltyAsHell

I'm unfollowing this thread becouse it's so stupid, this guy is cheater a who thinks that he debunked the Sicilian with 2.c3 wich is not even the best move. Also he thinks he is an expert is the Alapin when he is probably the worst at the Alapin, he is an expert at bullshit.

Pathetic.

HolographWars
SaltyAsHell wrote:

I'm unfollowing this thread becouse it's so stupid, this guy is cheater a who thinks that he debunked the Sicilian with 2.c3 wich is not even the best move. Also he thinks he is an expert is the Alapin when he is probably the worst at the Alapin, he is an expert at bullshit.

Pathetic.

Man ur salty as hell.

staples13
SaltyAsHell wrote:

I'm unfollowing this thread becouse it's so stupid, this guy is cheater a who thinks that he debunked the Sicilian with 2.c3 wich is not even the best move. Also he thinks he is an expert is the Alapin when he is probably the worst at the Alapin, he is an expert at bullshit.

Pathetic.

This post deserves a ban for the most unique combination of lies, baiting, attacks, and stupidity in the most efficient number of words. 

littlesoldier123

By the way how would you explain your results against 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 ? You scored roughly half-half against this line, but you claim that 2... Nf6 is winning for white.

https://www.chess.com/explorer?moveList=e4+c5+c3+Nf6+e5+Nd5&ply=6&gameSource=other&gameType=all&color=white&username=staples13&origMoves=e4+e5+Nf3+Nc6+Bc4+Nf6+Ng5

staples13
littlesoldier123 wrote:

Why would black play 14...Qc7? What if 14...Qa4 15. b3 Qa3 instead?

Black can always play differently. In which case he merely loses differently 

littlesoldier123

Why? Please justify your every comment if you want this discussion to be constructive.

staples13
littlesoldier123 wrote:

By the way how would you explain your results against 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 ? You scored roughly half-half against this line, but you claim that 2... Nf6 is winning for white.

https://www.chess.com/explorer?moveList=e4+c5+c3+Nf6+e5+Nd5&ply=6&gameSource=other&gameType=all&color=white&username=staples13&origMoves=e4+e5+Nf3+Nc6+Bc4+Nf6+Ng5

Just because I’m a moron who frequently blunders winning positions in the 2. Nf6 line doesn’t change the fact that it’s winning

littlesoldier123
littlesoldier123 wrote:

Why? Please justify your every comment if you want this discussion to be constructive.

Claiming that Alapin is winning for a million times does not justify the statement.

quadibloc

I've tended to say that the Sicilian refutes 1. e4. However, two common forms of the Sicilian, the Najdorf and the Schevenigen, are apparently just as bad for Black as they are for White. If Black wants to play the Sicilian and follow sound opening principles, so that unlike White, he has some tiny room left for error, though, I've recently learned that there is an opening variation called the "Richter-Rauzer" that is available.

But I've also recently learned that if White is so injudicious as to play 1. e4, Black can make things very difficult for him even without playing the Sicilian. There is also the Pirc, which some of you may know as the Ufimtsev Defense. Of course, in that case, White may play the Austrian Attack, and entertain some hopes for equality. happy.png

littlesoldier123

@staples13

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 d6 6. cxd4 Nc6 7. Bc4 dxe5 8. Bxd5 Qxd5 9. Nc3 Qd6

0.00 at depth 49

littlesoldier123
pfren wrote:
littlesoldier123 έγραψε:

@staples13

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 d6 6. cxd4 Nc6 7. Bc4 dxe5 8. Bxd5 Qxd5 9. Nc3 Qd6

0.00 at depth 49

 

Indeed, this line is one of the soundest and easiest for Black. Probably not terribly ambitious, but a clean equalizer.

However, I think you are simply wasting your time by trying to persuade staples about pretty much everything reasonable.

If staples thought this is reasonable I wouldn't have to do this, right? wink.png

After all I can also learn from the various lines suggested by Stockfish, why some work and why some doesn't. I don't think it is a total waste of time.

Fredibambo

Just ask to MVL is Sicilian is busted, he will laugh

kindaspongey

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1357586

HolographWars

What is dat 4. Nf3???

HolographWars
pfren wrote:
HolographWars έγραψε:

What is dat 4. Nf3???

 

It means that the horsie jumps from g1 to f3.

Ain't that a legal move?

A bad move.

HolographWars
pfren wrote:
HolographWars έγραψε:

A bad move.

 

Total nonsense.

Actually it is a bit more flexible than 4.d4, as white may delay this pawn move for a while, e.g. in favour of Bc4.

But usually both 4.d4 and 4.Nf3 end up to the same positions.

d4 cxd4 Bc4!

kindaspongey
"I showed forced winning lines in post 55, which is a complete and thorough analysis of why 2. d5 loses immediately" - staples13 (~14 hours ago)
staples13 wrote (August 29, 2018):

… After 2. d5 the game normally proceeds 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. d4. ... If the natural Nc6 is played white simply takes on c5 and black ... can sacrifice the pawn and not allow white to castle with Qxd1. ... In the Qxd1 line there is insufficient compensation for the loss of the pawn, …


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