A Bust to the Sicilian Defense - Chess Forums - Page 33

staples13 · 2018-08-27T00:56:48-07:00

In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force. The opening move of the Sicilian Defense violates just about every opening principle. It fails to develop a piece, fails to put a pawn in the center, and fails to open up a bishop for development. It allows white to immediately open up

littlesoldier123

Nov 8, 2018

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#641

Why? Please justify your every comment if you want this discussion to be constructive.

staples13

Nov 8, 2018

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#642

littlesoldier123 wrote:

By the way how would you explain your results against 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 ? You scored roughly half-half against this line, but you claim that 2... Nf6 is winning for white.

https://www.chess.com/explorer?moveList=e4+c5+c3+Nf6+e5+Nd5&ply=6&gameSource=other&gameType=all&color=white&username=staples13&origMoves=e4+e5+Nf3+Nc6+Bc4+Nf6+Ng5

Just because I’m a moron who frequently blunders winning positions in the 2. Nf6 line doesn’t change the fact that it’s winning

littlesoldier123

Nov 8, 2018

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#643

littlesoldier123 wrote:

Why? Please justify your every comment if you want this discussion to be constructive.

Claiming that Alapin is winning for a million times does not justify the statement.

quadibloc

Nov 8, 2018

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#644

I've tended to say that the Sicilian refutes 1. e4. However, two common forms of the Sicilian, the Najdorf and the Schevenigen, are apparently just as bad for Black as they are for White. If Black wants to play the Sicilian and follow sound opening principles, so that unlike White, he has some tiny room left for error, though, I've recently learned that there is an opening variation called the "Richter-Rauzer" that is available.

But I've also recently learned that if White is so injudicious as to play 1. e4, Black can make things very difficult for him even without playing the Sicilian. There is also the Pirc, which some of you may know as the Ufimtsev Defense. Of course, in that case, White may play the Austrian Attack, and entertain some hopes for equality.

littlesoldier123

Nov 8, 2018

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#645

@staples13

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 d6 6. cxd4 Nc6 7. Bc4 dxe5 8. Bxd5 Qxd5 9. Nc3 Qd6

0.00 at depth 49

IM pfren

Nov 8, 2018

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#646

littlesoldier123 έγραψε:

@staples13

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 d6 6. cxd4 Nc6 7. Bc4 dxe5 8. Bxd5 Qxd5 9. Nc3 Qd6

0.00 at depth 49

Indeed, this line is one of the soundest and easiest for Black. Probably not terribly ambitious, but a clean equalizer.

However, I think you are simply wasting your time by trying to persuade staples about pretty much everything reasonable.

IM pfren

Nov 8, 2018

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#647

staples13 έγραψε:

Just because I’m a moron who frequently blunders winning positions in the 2. Nf6 line doesn’t change the fact that it’s winning.

You started very well, but the second part of your statement is quite irrelevant.

littlesoldier123

Nov 9, 2018

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#648

pfren wrote:

littlesoldier123 έγραψε:

@staples13

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 d6 6. cxd4 Nc6 7. Bc4 dxe5 8. Bxd5 Qxd5 9. Nc3 Qd6

0.00 at depth 49

Indeed, this line is one of the soundest and easiest for Black. Probably not terribly ambitious, but a clean equalizer.

However, I think you are simply wasting your time by trying to persuade staples about pretty much everything reasonable.

If staples thought this is reasonable I wouldn't have to do this, right?

After all I can also learn from the various lines suggested by Stockfish, why some work and why some doesn't. I don't think it is a total waste of time.

Fredibambo

Nov 9, 2018

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#649

Just ask to MVL is Sicilian is busted, he will laugh

kindaspongey

Nov 9, 2018

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#650

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1357586

HolographWars

Nov 9, 2018

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#651

What is dat 4. Nf3???

IM pfren

Nov 9, 2018

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#652

HolographWars έγραψε:

What is dat 4. Nf3???

It means that the horsie jumps from g1 to f3.

Ain't that a legal move?

HolographWars

Nov 9, 2018

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#653

pfren wrote:

HolographWars έγραψε:

What is dat 4. Nf3???

It means that the horsie jumps from g1 to f3.

Ain't that a legal move?

A bad move.

IM pfren

Nov 9, 2018

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#654

HolographWars έγραψε:

A bad move.

Total nonsense.

Actually it is a bit more flexible than 4.d4, as white may delay this pawn move for a while, e.g. in favour of Bc4.

But usually both 4.d4 and 4.Nf3 end up to the same positions.

HolographWars

Nov 9, 2018

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#655

pfren wrote:

HolographWars έγραψε:

A bad move.

Total nonsense.

Actually it is a bit more flexible than 4.d4, as white may delay this pawn move for a while, e.g. in favour of Bc4.

But usually both 4.d4 and 4.Nf3 end up to the same positions.

d4 cxd4 Bc4!

kindaspongey

Nov 9, 2018

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#656

"I showed forced winning lines in post 55, which is a complete and thorough analysis of why 2. d5 loses immediately" - staples13 (~14 hours ago)

staples13 wrote (August 29, 2018):

… After 2. d5 the game normally proceeds 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. d4. ... If the natural Nc6 is played white simply takes on c5 and black ... can sacrifice the pawn and not allow white to castle with Qxd1. ... In the Qxd1 line there is insufficient compensation for the loss of the pawn, …

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1606612

HolographWars

Nov 9, 2018

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#657

White played with the technique on an earthworm.

kindaspongey

Nov 9, 2018

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#658

"... Vysochin ... vs. Maxime Vachier-Lagrave ... 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. d4 cxd4 6. cxd4 ..." - kindaspongey

HolographWars wrote:

pfren wrote:

HolographWars έγραψε:

[4. Nf3 is] A bad move.

Total nonsense.

Actually it is a bit more flexible than 4.d4, as white may delay this pawn move for a while, e.g. in favour of Bc4.

But usually both 4.d4 and 4.Nf3 end up to the same positions.

d4 cxd4 Bc4!

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1639984

JoseManuelSarmento

Nov 9, 2018

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#659

I completely agree

HolographWars

Nov 9, 2018

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#660

The reason it was a draw was because

BLACK WAS 200+ POINTS HIGHER THAN WHITE