A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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"... All I’m trying to do here is to have an intellectual discussion in the pursuit of truth to determine whether or not black can survive the Alapin. ..." - staples13 (~3 hours ago)
staples13 wrote (~5 hours ago): ...
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

... 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 dxc3 ... 1-0 No one is even surviving 10 moves against the Alapin.

What if Black had played 5...Nc6 ?

… Black can always play differently, in which case he merely loses differently 

"... intellectual discussion ..." ?

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kindaspongey έγραψε:

"... intellectual discussion ..." ?

 

The O.P. can obviously contribute to an intellectual discussion by serving the coffee.

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staples13 wrote:

The Alapin either wins by force or it doesn’t, but no one on the planet knows with absolute certainty which  one is true. I am of the opinion that with best play the Sicilian defense loses to 2. c3. Most of you are of the opinion that black can hold on and draw. Maybe I’m right, maybe you’re right; no one knows. All I’m trying to do here is to have an intellectual discussion in the pursuit of truth to determine whether or not black can survive the Alapin. Is that so awful? Just because someone says something you don’t believe or agree with doesn’t mean they should be silienced. It doesn’t mean it’s not a discussion worth having 

You're the only one that believes that the Alapin "busts" the sicilian. It's obvious that black can draw. You haven't refuted ….Nf6 but you still claim that the sicilian is refuted. To be honest it's not a discussion worth having until you try publishing a "refutation' of all black's lines, which you haven't. 

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Well it wasn’t the finest game ever played but I did manage to beat a NM with the Alapin just now 

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1600+ is not a nm and 3 minute chess is not an indication of strength-limp maybe

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beafraid3 wrote:

1600+ is not a nm and 3 minute chess is not an indication of strength-limp maybe

It was a 1 minute bullet game actually, but he really is an NM. Unless it was his kid or someone playing on his account.

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"... 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 d6 ... 1-0 …" - staples13 (~1 hour ago)
kindaspongey wrote (~2 days ago):
staples13 wrote:

... 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 dxc3 ... 1-0 No one is even surviving 10 moves against the Alapin.

What if Black had played 5...Nc6 ?

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staples13 wrote:

I hate to get off topic here, and trust me we’ll soon get back to analyzing how best to play the Alapin, but is anyone else stunned the General Motors Strike is still going on? It’s been 3 weeks!! I prefer Ford, but still GM and the UAW need to make a deal, it’s costing both the company and its workers hundreds of millions of dollars 

We don't give a damn, go post this on a motoring forum, not a chess one.

You're making no friends here.

 

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1) NM is not a great title. I think it's +2200 which is not that good.

2) It's a 1 minute game. I can beat a GM there if I'm having a good day and him a bad one

3)A NM with 1600? Seriously ?

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The Alapin is just bad. It also violates opening principles. After 1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4.d4 Nc6 5. Nf3 Bg4 Black has the initiative.

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Tal125555 wrote:

1) NM is not a great title. I think it's +2200 which is not that good.

2) It's a 1 minute game. I can beat a GM there if I'm having a good day and him a bad one

3)A NM with 1600? Seriously ?

True, but it just goes to show how much utter nonsense it is when people on this forum claim that online ratings are inflated compared to OTB ratings. If anything it’s OTB ratings that are inflated 

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You should write a book about the Alapin, as now you are a kind of celebrity.

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84-page thread. Amazing. The Alapin is a perfectly fine line, but to claim the Sicilian is busted? I hope it's meant as a joke. 

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Threads shouldn't be 84 pages. It is hard to read them that way and most comments in this thread are complete sarcasm. I like searching Chess.com when I want to learn to play new opening. I get information from strong players that is useful, but this type of threads completely destroy the purpose of "Chess Openings" forum section. I ask Chess.com moderator to close this thread.

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LGM23 wrote:

Threads shouldn't be 84 pages. It is hard to read them that way and most comments in this thread are complete sarcasm. I like searching Chess.com when I want to learn to play new opening. I get information from strong players that is useful, but this type of threads completely destroy the purpose of "Chess Openings" forum section. I ask Chess.com moderator to close this thread.

I must respectfully disagree with this statement. This thread has helped thousands learn how to beat the Sicilian with the Alapin. Just because you don’t find it particularly useful to your specific situation doesn’t mean the thread should be shut down. 

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Shut it down

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staples13 wrote:
LGM23 wrote:

Threads shouldn't be 84 pages. It is hard to read them that way and most comments in this thread are complete sarcasm. I like searching Chess.com when I want to learn to play new opening. I get information from strong players that is useful, but this type of threads completely destroy the purpose of "Chess Openings" forum section. I ask Chess.com moderator to close this thread.

I must respectfully disagree with this statement. This thread has helped thousands learn how to beat the Sicilian with the Alapin. Just because you don’t find it particularly useful to your specific situation doesn’t mean the thread should be shut down. 

84 pages of dross. The only thing this thread has taught people is that the OP hasn't a clue what he/she is talking about.

SHUT IT DOWN!

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The Sicilian only scores 30% against Staples13. That is abysmal. 

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staples13 wrote:

The Sicilian only scores 30% against Staples13. That is abysmal. 

Shouldn't it be 0% if you say it's 'busted'?  This is just embarrassing and we're all losing the will to live. Give it up.