A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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nikos8109

By the way, now that I see, you wrote on page #87 that you can play any GM with any time limit. And you have a challenge for 15 min+10sec. I think it is a good way to prove your claims and everyone else to go silent. 

staples13
nikos8109 wrote:

By the way, now that I see, you wrote on page #87 that you can play any GM with any time limit. And you have a challenge for 15 min+10sec. I think it is a good way to prove your claims and everyone else to go silent. 

Oh did someone accept my challenge?

nikos8109

It wasn't yours but you can still accept his

nikos8109

Go to page 87

Qoko88

The somewhat obvious trolling nature of this thread aside: playing the Sicilian regularly I find that the Alapin does throw Black into a structure s/he's most likely less familiar with. As White I try the Smith-Morra occasionally and transposing to the Alapin is one of the least of my worries as Black tends to get themselves from the frying pan into the fire. Or perhaps the opposite, depending how they'd fair against the Morra Accepted.

That the Sicilian is a theoretical dread, perhaps. Is the Alapin the answer? Unlikely. Is the Alapin annoying? Yes.

Laskersnephew

As a life-long Alapin player, I find stapes13's ridiculous claims as embarrassing as they are idiotic. The Alpin is fine . . . period! Constantly claiming that it "busts" the Sicilian is either a lazy, pointless form of trolling, or the chess equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "La la la, I can't hear you!"

nikos8109
Laskersnephew escribió:

As a life-long Alapin player, I find stapes13's ridiculous claims as embarrassing as they are idiotic. The Alpin is fine . . . period! Constantly claiming that it "busts" the Sicilian is either a lazy, pointless form of trolling, or the chess equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "La la la, I can't hear you!"

Hahahahaha really nice comment 😀😀😀

Unfortunately there is no "like" button at chess.com,otherwise I would have pressed it.

Laskersnephew

"And yet they refuse to play it against me"

Why use a hammer to kill a flea?

Laskersnephew

If you want to prove that the Alapin "busts" the Sicilian, it's very simple; (1)Join the USCF (if you're not already a member). (2) Signup for some real OTB tournaments. (3) Show up and bust a bunch of Sicilians, then come back and post your genuine tournament wins. A half-dozen wins in slow, rated OTB chess against some real tournament players might make an impression

staples13
Laskersnephew wrote:

If you want to prove that the Alapin "busts" the Sicilian, it's very simple; (1)Join the USCF (if you're not already a member). (2) Signup for some real OTB tournaments. (3) Show up and bust a bunch of Sicilians, then come back and post your genuine tournament wins. A half-dozen wins in slow, rated OTB chess against some real tournament players might make an impression

What? Strange post. If the Sicilian is busted then it’s busted. It doesn’t matter if the game is played on a chessboard, online, blindfold, or underwater. 

GANHEII
staples13 escreveu:
Laskersnephew wrote:

If you want to prove that the Alapin "busts" the Sicilian, it's very simple; (1)Join the USCF (if you're not already a member). (2) Signup for some real OTB tournaments. (3) Show up and bust a bunch of Sicilians, then come back and post your genuine tournament wins. A half-dozen wins in slow, rated OTB chess against some real tournament players might make an impression

What? Strange post. If the Sicilian is busted then it’s busted. It doesn’t matter if the game is played on a chessboard, online, blindfold, or underwater. 

but 3 minutes online i can prove a3 wins by force because ill eventually win 1 game from a blunder and just post it here

Laskersnephew

"What? Strange post. If the Sicilian is busted then it’s busted. It doesn’t matter if the game is played on a chessboard, online, blindfold, or underwater. "

In other words, I can't produce a single serious game where you "bust" the Sicilian

GypsyGambit

@nikos8109

We can ask a different question, is there any opening that on human-level chess is busted? Of course i'm not talking about Damiano's and things like that. When it comes to computer chess answer is yes, we've seen how AlphaZero progressed happy.png At some point had played French, but then it became unplayable. Human level is probably too low to say that any opening is busted. Miles beat Karpov playing St. George. Carlsen played a3. I remember 1 game when Carlsen's opponent played 1. e4 2. Qh5 3. Bc4. And after 20-25 moves he was better accordong to engine. It was just a blitz game, but still.  

Kramnik once said we may see suspicious openings in the next years. With AI engines people can prepare at home openings (or lines) that are generally considered very dubious. Even if you knew someone is playing questionable opening that would be hard to refute.

I think it would be a good idea. If you face much better opponent it's more likely you beat him playing dubious opening (you studied in great depth) rather than widely known teritory. Disadvantage of first few suspicious moves is smaller than advantages of surprise effect/unknown territory for opponent/finding refutations is time consuming

 

People often say how bad such and such opening is, but in fact when we observe the games evaluation bar normally goes from -3 to 3 even at the highest level. 

That's why I think there is no opening busted at least at this moment. Maybe someday for future generations with much higher IQ  tongue.png

He's got a challenge he can prove his talent now wink.png Seems to me he is a troll. He would have been playing GMs already if he had recipe for sicilian wink.png

 

kindaspongey

"I think all openings are 100% sound - all normal openings, that is!" - Kasparov (1991)

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:
Laskersnephew wrote:

If you want to prove that the Alapin "busts" the Sicilian, it's very simple; (1)Join the USCF (if you're not already a member). (2) Signup for some real OTB tournaments. (3) Show up and bust a bunch of Sicilians, then come back and post your genuine tournament wins. A half-dozen wins in slow, rated OTB chess against some real tournament players might make an impression

What? Strange post. If the Sicilian is busted then it’s busted. It doesn’t matter if the game is played on a chessboard, online, blindfold, or underwater. 

The Laskersnephew post was about wanting "to prove" that an opening is busted. Let us know if you want to take up that sort of issue.

staples13

I will expand my challenge to any IM as well. I will represent the Alapin and my opponent will play the Sicilian. Here are the rules.  We play one 3 minute no increment blitz game winner take all. I get the white pieces and must play 1. e4 followed by 2. c3. You must play 1. c5. May the better opening win. Thank you all for you attention to this important matter 

kindaspongey
"I will expand my challenge to any IM as well. I will represent the Alapin and my opponent will play the Sicilian. Here are the rules.  We play one 3 minute no increment blitz game ..." - staples13 (~27 minutes ago)
staples13 wrote (August 27, 2018):

… with best play in my opinion black loses to the Alapin.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=2

Think we are going to see "best play" in a "3 minute no increment blitz game"?

GypsyGambit

staples dont play IM's. such a waste of time wink.png they are too weak for you

staples13
GypsyGambit wrote:

staples dont play IM's. such a waste of time  they are too weak for you

No I don’t think so. I think it should be a fair fight actually. Obviously I’ll have the advantage of having a winning position after move 2, but the IM’s superior talent should make this a competitive match. I’d say the odds are 50-50

staples13

Thank you for the vote of confidence though I do appreciate it