A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

Good find KindaSpongey. I believe he also said that he would not have forced the draw against anyone other than Magnus.

"In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force. ..." - staples (#1, ~15 days ago)

"... Black has 2 main move , 2...d5, ... and 2...Nf6 ..." - UzayAltay (#12, ~14 days ago)

"... I think you should back up your claim with more reasons why 2...d5 or 2...Nf6 might fail for Black. ..." - wiahwib (#32, ~14 days ago)

"... Yes d5 and nf6 do provide much stiffer resistance than any of black's other responses. I, however, believe black is still lost even after these moves. I will post an analysis shortly." - staples13 (#38, ~14 days ago)

"... I’m gonna analyze nf6 ..." - staples13 (#74, ~12 days ago)

"Try your opening against latest Stockfish on your desktop, give SF 1 min per move thinking time. Post your pgn at move 12. Let me know whether black is busted or not!! ..." - drmrboss (#110, ~9 days ago)

"Here's my game with Stockfish. It wasn't able to equalize against my Alapin and its position is probably lost. ... Admittedly I couldn’t figure out how to download stockfish so I had to guess as to what moves stockfish would have played, but I think I probably got it right" - staples13 (#114-5, ~9 days ago)

"Come on. Bust sicilian with Alpin opening. I will use Droidfish on my S7 , with 1 min of analysis. ( I am just 2000 noob compared to 3400+ Stockfish on my phone). Your move now, Stockfish play [1 e4 c5 2 c3] Nf6" - drmrboss (#146, ~7 days ago)

"[3 e5 Nd5 4 d4 cxd4 5 cxd4 Nc6 6 Nf3 d6 7 Bc4 Nb6]" - drmrboss (#181, ~5 days ago)

"Bb3" - stables13 (#182, ~36 hours ago)

"[8...dxe5]" - drmrboss (#191, ~32 hours ago)

"d5" - stables13 (#205, ~28 hours ago)

"[9...Na5]" - drmrboss (#207, ~28 hours ago)

"Nc3" - stables13 (#208, ~26 hours ago)

"[10...f6]" - drmrboss (#210, ~23 hours ago)

"0-0" - staples13 (#234. ~1 hour ago)

"[11...Nxb3]" - drmrboss (#235, ~1 hour ago)

Can we take it that staples13 still does not have the feeling of knowing a winning move #12 for white at this point?

I'm only surprised that a blatant troll post got this many serious replies. 

@staples13, you failed to show the public that you can bust Sicilian. The game is reaching to move 12 . with white move , either axb3 or Qxb3.  At this position you can ask for vote for poll of decent players 2000+ whether white is better or not! 

My vote is black is better.  (reasons ---> bishop pair, extra pawn and strong king side pawns majority well compensate white's developmental advantage and advanced "d" pawn) 

SF is also saying -0.51 in favour of black. 

I am not arguing with you anymore. I already proved that black is ok! 

Read the thread before making ridiculous claims like this

I looked at your games and you don’t play e4 super often but when you do you absolutely get crushed by the Sicilian Defense in the Nf3 line. In fact you score about 45% against the Sicilian

Whatever though. Don’t listen to my analysis, and keep on getting crushed by the Sicilian. I on the other hand will keep on scoring 71% using my Alapin. 

No. I live in Alaska. We have no OTB tournaments

Ok I accept

For sure. Ok,  I’ll send you a challenge. Let’s play the 2. d5 line as that seems to be the one everyone wants to see.

You play a less well known reply to the Sicilian and know how to play it, so are successful against players of your own strength, which is still fairly low (sub 2000 is still considered club level). Saying that it means that the Sicilian itself is busted is ridiculous.

Oh sorry. I thought all games with starting positions predetermined were automatically unrated. I guess not. 

Also does 2 day time control sound good?

Well said.

Wow. What a rude little post this is. 

First off, I'm rated 1900 not 1300, so if you're going to insult my rating at least get it right. Secondly I'm rated much much much higher than you, so you shouldn't be insulting anyone's rating.

Third, i looked at your games and you score very average against the Sicilian Defense. I tried to help you with my in-depth analysis, but all you do is insult me so fine don't listen to me and go ahead and keep scoring 50% against the Sicilian. I on the other hand will continue to score 71% against it using my Alapin.

I have posted over a dozen games in this thread explaining strategies, ideas, and traps in the Alapin, and this is all valuable knowledge I have shared with the chess.com community  regardless of whether or not anyone believes the Sicilian Defense is  busted. You meanwhile have contributed nothing to the discussion. You have not posted any analysis on this thread and instead have just spewed insults, but thanks for claiming I have mental issues. I appreciated that. Very classy of you.

Have a good day fine sir.

I always think the best thing to do with a troll post is just ignore it and let it fall off the board, but here I am taking the bait. 

Staples13, if your original post were simply something like "Here's a good response as white to the Sicilian Defense" you could make a somewhat reasonable argument. But you didn't do that, did you? You claim in the title of your post "A Bust to the Sicilian Defense" and then the very first statement in your post is "In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." If any super GM made this argument, it would be utterly ridiculous, but for some guy on Chess.com to make it goes into another realm of idiocy. But then again, you don't really even believe that, cause you're a troll.

Don't bother responding to this though, I'm not going to feed you any longer. 

Yes the threads title is slightly provacotive, and you don’t have to agree with the premise of the thread.

However, none of that changes the fact that I have provided nothing but an in-depth analysis of every game I posted. From the very first post I have done nothing but engage in a legitimate, informative discussion of the merits of playing the Alapin against the Sicilian.  In every game I have explained the main strategies, ideas, tactics, and traps in the Alapin. There is not one single person who has legitimately followed this thread, me included, who could possibly claim that they don’t know more about the Alapin than they did before. 

Now you can believe me or not I don’t care, but in any case I’m done defending my thread against these unjustified baseless attacks. When I have more analysis on the Alapin to share with chess.com I will do so.

2...e6  black should never play this second move especially if he is the stronger player, unless he want a draw.  

The Alapin is good alternative to the main line but it doesn't refute the Sicilian.  Alapin hold a slight advantage and its good enough to play for white.

Looking at your online blitz games you are rated 900 -1100 at best. What a clever statement to make... 

1) And you are insulting the guy for no reason. 2) so do I, and? 3) 1300 games is quite a lot.

He obviously has success against the sd, so let him have his fun. I too find the sd very difficult to play, there are just too many lines to remember. Of course it is not formally busted, but I love when players rated below 2000 play it against me.

 What make the Alapin dangerous is its very flexible, black can go very wrong and lose. Mindless development doesn't guarantee black equality or any tricky going into the French 2...e6, no really Sicilian player go in for the French setup. I give you how black go wrong given by Bobby Talpanov, he miss 8.c4 give white big advantage.