What use to study openings if you lose your queen because didn't notice the opponent attack it? Do the tactics first at the point you don't lose pieces for nothing
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Krumov001 wrote:
What use to study openings if you lose your queen because didn't notice the opponent attack it? Do the tactics first at the point you don't lose pieces for nothing
It can be helpful to learn to avoid some difficult positions such as the one that can result from 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 d5 5 exd5 Nxd5. Also, many opening books are mostly collections of illustrative games, with explanations. Beginners are often encouraged to look at illustrative games.
@TheUnderDog001 -
Check it out.....you might find something here to address some of your concerns.....in particular, openings and repertoires...
https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell
@TheUnderDog001 -
You might also want to check out...
My First Chess Opening Repertoire (2 volumes - for White and for Black) by Vincent Moret...
https://www.newinchess.com/openings?authors=627
John Bartholomew reviews Moret's White opening repertoire book...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f41ZbPq9OpE
more reviews/lessons from these books...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=my+first+chess+opening+repertoire
available on Chessable...
https://www.chessable.com/chess-openings/s/moret
check my review of Moret's White repertoire book here (as 'RLBell')....
https://www.chessable.com/chess-openings/s/moret
"... I think that while ... Moret [provided a] responsible, interesting [repertoire], ... I am not convinced that [the] author makes things ‘simple’ enough for most people’s ‘first’ repertoires. …"
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/vincent-moret/
"... I deliberately chose offensive variations. ... There will always be time later to eventually move on to other more strategic, and therefore more complex, openings. …"
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
"... Do not be afraid, or reluctant, to play some of the gambits in this repertoire, even though they may have a dubious reputation according to omniscient opening theory. I have bet on pragmatism and efficiency. …"
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9050.pdf
Apr 9, 2020
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#27
TheUnderDog001 wrote:
pfren wrote:
A beginner shouldn't bother at all about openings. The opening principles are enough.
Oh ok. At what rating do you think a player should learn some lines?
Your 2200 bullet.
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
This is a troll thread.
I'm gathering info from people so that I can help my friend. Lol.
This isn't for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcnnGt_dDvc- chess analysis pls watch
Thank you all for your suggestions.
Apr 10, 2020
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#32
I have been training kids that are around 1400-1600 Fide rated in my local chess club. So they are not beginners anymore but still need to improve alot. As opening is the worst part of my game as well I decided to practice openings with them by the way of playing rapid games (20+10sec) and writing the moves. By doing this your friend can see what is his intuition in playing the openings after learning the principles. For example when I started playing in 2010 I played Nimzo-indian against 1.d4 and my first official game was a Grunfeld (I would never play Grunfeld now) 1.e5 against 1.e4. As white I started with my own system that was based on double fianchetto. How I am playing 1.e4: the Caro Cann against 1.e4 and Volga (Benko) gambit against 1.d4 2.c4. It is ok to change your openings as you mature as a chess player. I actually started switching from only Caro Cann to caro cann and Sicilian. Even thought I don't know the theory that well in sicilian mixing up the reperoire is a great way for training to adjust to different types of positions.
Anyways I would suggest, after he learns the basics of the opening play to style his opening play by the way of playing better than learning from some book. I know good players (2000+ rated Fide) who have never opened a chess opening book in their life.
mencikdavid wrote:
I have been training kids that are around 1400-1600 Fide rated in my local chess club. So they are not beginners anymore but still need to improve alot. As opening is the worst part of my game as well I decided to practice openings with them by the way of playing rapid games (20+10sec) and writing the moves. By doing this your friend can see what is his intuition in playing the openings after learning the principles. For example when I started playing in 2010 I played Nimzo-indian against 1.d4 and my first official game was a Grunfeld (I would never play Grunfeld now) 1.e5 against 1.e4. As white I started with my own system that was based on double fianchetto. How I am playing 1.e4: the Caro Cann against 1.e4 and Volga (Benko) gambit against 1.d4 2.c4. It is ok to change your openings as you mature as a chess player. I actually started switching from only Caro Cann to caro cann and Sicilian. Even thought I don't know the theory that well in sicilian mixing up the reperoire is a great way for training to adjust to different types of positions.
Anyways I would suggest, after he learns the basics of the opening play to style his opening play by the way of playing better than learning from some book. I know good players (2000+ rated Fide) who have never opened a chess opening book in their life.
Wow. Thanks for the great advice!
ThrillerFan wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
"... I think that ... I am not ... most people’s ‘first’ ... I ... may have a dubious reputation …"
Oh really? How does it feel having your statements incomplete and triple-dotted? No words though were added - that's all your message there!
The actual post:
"... I think that while ... Moret [provided a] responsible, interesting [repertoire], ... I am not convinced that [the] author makes things ‘simple’ enough for most people’s ‘first’ repertoires. …"
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/vincent-moret/
"... I deliberately chose offensive variations. ... There will always be time later to eventually move on to other more strategic, and therefore more complex, openings. …"
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
"... Do not be afraid, or reluctant, to play some of the gambits in this repertoire, even though they may have a dubious reputation according to omniscient opening theory. I have bet on pragmatism and efficiency. …"
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9050.pdf
mencikdavid wrote:
… I know good players (2000+ rated Fide) who have never opened a chess opening book in their life.
"... everyone is different, so what works for one person may likely fail with another ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627084053/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman19.pdf
"... Once you identify an opening you really like and wish to learn in more depth, then should you pick up a book on a particular opening or variation. Start with ones that explain the opening variations and are not just meant for advanced players. ..." - Dan Heisman (2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626180930/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman06.pdf
Spelenderwijs wrote:
TheUnderDog001 schreef:
pfren wrote:
TheUnderDog001 έγραψε:
... At what rating do you think a player should learn some lines?
… I'd say that as long as you are able to play rapid games (15'+10" or more) without randomly dropping pawns and pieces in every second game (or more than that), you may consider starting openings' study.
Ok. So pretty much at the late beginner/ early intermediate level
And then you might want to try a search for chess repertoire books. Maybe something like Keep it Simple: 1.e4. ...
"... The book is meant for players rated 1500 and higher, my estimate is for players from 1500 up to 2200. ..." - NM HanSChut (2018)
https://www.chess.com/blog/HanSchut/review-keep-it-simple-1-e4-by-im-christof-sielecki
Before making a decision, it might be a good idea to look at a book sample:
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9068.pdf
Apr 10, 2020
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#37
kindaspongey wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
"... I think that ... I am not ... most people’s ‘first’ ... I ... may have a dubious reputation …"
Oh really? How does it feel having your statements incomplete and triple-dotted? No words though were added - that's all your message there!
The actual post:
"... I think that while ... Moret [provided a] responsible, interesting [repertoire], ... I am not convinced that [the] author makes things ‘simple’ enough for most people’s ‘first’ repertoires. …"
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/vincent-moret/
"... I deliberately chose offensive variations. ... There will always be time later to eventually move on to other more strategic, and therefore more complex, openings. …"
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
"... Do not be afraid, or reluctant, to play some of the gambits in this repertoire, even though they may have a dubious reputation according to omniscient opening theory. I have bet on pragmatism and efficiency. …"
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9050.pdf
Getting defensive are we? So much so that you have to Repeat your own post 26?
What a laughable joke you are if you have to be all defensive!
Does this finally give you the message that when you quote people, quote the complete post! If you keep this BS up and continue to quote redacted posts of mine in other threads, I will continue to redact your posts!
Therefore, do the intelligent thing and simply click Quote and type your post in the White area and STOP MODIFYING MINE!
ThrillerFan wrote:
… Does this finally give you the message that when you quote people, quote the complete post! ...
No.
ThrillerFan wrote:
… If you keep this BS up and continue to quote redacted posts of mine in other threads, I will continue to redact your posts! ...
Do you know if chess.com has a policy towards the use of threats as a method of coercion?
Apr 10, 2020
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#40
kindaspongey wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
… If you keep this BS up and continue to quote redacted posts of mine in other threads, I will continue to redact your posts! ...
Do you know if chess.com has a policy towards the use of threats as a method of coercion?
You cannot claim it is a threat! All I said I would do is exactly what you are doing!
Therefore, if what I am doing is wrong, then what you are doing is just as wrong, and you are a multi-hundred occurrence repeat offender!
There is no way that you can do something, claim it is fine, and then claim someone else doing it, or saying they are going to do it, as being illegal or against policy.
Great job calling the kettle Black there kindaspongey!
A beginner shouldn't bother at all about openings. The opening principles are enough.
Oh ok. At what rating do you think a player should learn some lines?
Rating- where?
I'd say that as long as you are able to play rapid games (15'+10" or more) without randomly dropping pawns and pieces in every second game (or more than that), you may consider starting openings' study.
Ok. So pretty much at the late beginner/ early intermediate level
And then you might want to try a search for chess repertoire books. Maybe something like Keep it Simple: 1.e4. There are countless to choose from.