Accelerated Panov

Ashvapathi
poucin wrote:

Why do u want to develop your Ng1 on e2?

Almost always Nf3 to go for e5 with an isolated d4 pawn.

The Bf1 will go on c4 or d3, sometimes b5, according black's continuation.

 

ok, I thought Nf3 would allow pin and maybe even trades. What if the opponent starts trading, isn't that good for black in IQP?

 

Thanks. 😀

poucin

I guess u mean line like this one which is a main line in Panov attack :

White is marginally better and most games at high level are draw but u know, at sub level...

Good news, we are not forced to transpose into Panov attack, so we can use this move order :

Where 7...Bg4 would be bad : 8.Qa4!

6...Bg4 would be too risky :

Thats why this move order (white didn't play d4 yet), avoids some options for black in Panov attack, but white also loses some...

A main line with this Bb5 idea could be :

White could think about replaying Bb5 on d3 to get a "normal" isolani position, but he/she could think about Bxc6.

Ashvapathi

Thanks so much, IM poucin. 😃

I will study this post for next few days(or weeks) to understand properly.

PS: that mainline is so crazy. 🥳

Laskersnephew

As IM poucin and others have pointed out, 1,e4 c6 2.c4 Nf6 3.e5  A really lousy sort of Alekhine's Defense. White gets a solid advantage on move 3!

Ashvapathi
poucin wrote:

I guess u mean line like this one which is a main line in Panov attack :

White is marginally better and most games at high level are draw but u know, at sub level...

 

 

In the mainline,

isn't black better because he has a passed pawn and better pawn structure? What is White's advantage? 🤔

TwoMove

Have a look at annotations of Fischer v Euwe 1960 (60 Memorable games), for example.

If don't like this position from the direct Panov move order, with early d4, can play instead 1.e4 c6 2d4 d5 3pxp pxp 4Nc3 Nf6 5Bg5. This has also been played for a long time Botvinnik from the 30's. The recent book "E3 poison" has a few new ideas for white.

Ashvapathi
TwoMove wrote:

Have a look at annotations of Fischer v Euwe 1960 (60 Memorable games), for example.

If don't like this position from the direct Panov move order, with early d4, can play instead 1.e4 c6 2d4 d5 3pxp pxp 4Nc3 Nf6 5Bg5. This has also been played for a long time Botvinnik from the 30's. The recent book "E3 poison" has a few new ideas for white.

 

Thanks. But, I generally get into this position via English.

1.c4 c6 2. e4 d5 3. cxd5 cxd5 4. exd5 Nf3 5. Nc3 Nxd5

TwoMove

You don't have too 1c4 c6 2e4 d5 3exd5 pxp 4d4 earlier d4 again  4...Nf6 5Nc3 Nc6 6Bg5.

harbi_canoshi

Pseudo-Panov

Ashvapathi
TwoMove wrote:

You don't have too 1c4 c6 2e4 d5 3exd5 pxp 4d4 earlier d4 again  4...Nf6 5Nc3 Nc6 6Bg5.

is this the line?

 

TwoMove

No, http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1097716 position after move 6, which can be reached by many move-orders.

justice_avocado

Glad that my thread from 12 years ago is still capturing the world's imagination. I feel like I'm part of something bigger than myself

BL4D3RUNN3R

5.Qa4+ was a long time one of my pet lines. Theory is something as the following. A classical tournament game of mine.

Look at the e-pawn. He is a Navy SEAL.

 

DrSpudnik
justice_avocado wrote:

Glad that my thread from 12 years ago is still capturing the world's imagination. I feel like I'm part of something bigger than myself

This may be one of the most ancient of threads in these forums. It's good to see it's got staying power.

poucin

Well, someone revived it for telling nothing pertinent, then we just continued on it.

Nothing special about it.

DrSpudnik

I daresay it's an ominous sign!

Hiimsteve311

Interesting

TwoMove

The orginal question wasn't very interesting, and solved in one ply 3e5. The discussion then moved on to differences in normal Panov attack, and accelerated one, IQP positions etc. There was some chess content. Compared to most opening forum threads that is a big plus.

justice_avocado
TwoMove wrote:

The orginal question wasn't very interesting

how dare you