Aggressive Response to 4...Nf6 in the Scotch

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MSC157 wrote:

Yereslov, engine says it's +1,00 for someone too, but positionaly... They're dumb in openings.

How are they dumb in openings?

Unlike humans, they are not affected by feelings.

This is all based on the position.

It's an even game. 

Most GM's today use engines to analyze openings.

Are they dumb?

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Yereslov wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

Yereslov, engine says it's +1,00 for someone too, but positionaly... They're dumb in openings.

How are they dumb in openings?

Unlike humans, they are not affected by feelings.

This is all based on the position.

It's an even game. 

Most GM's today use engines to analyze openings.

Are they dumb?

They probably analyzed novelties, deeply in opening, middlegame...

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Firstly how is equality at move five a good thing? Secondly, engine evaluation is based almost purely on calculation. After a few moves in many benoni lines engines give an evaluation of +1 which is absurd. Take the benko gambit 1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3.d5 b5; crafty reckons +1.18 after move 3. 

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The Ruy Lopez gives equality on move 3.

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gambiteer12 wrote:

Firstly how is equality at move five a good thing? Secondly, engine evaluation is based almost purely on calculation. After a few moves in many benoni lines engines give an evaluation of +1 which is absurd. Take the benko gambit 1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3.d5 b5; crafty reckons +1.18 after move 3. 

That's what I was talking about before. Thanks for accepting my fact! :)

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AcivilizedGentleman wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

Yereslov, engine says it's +1,00 for someone too, but positionaly... They're dumb in openings.

How are they dumb in openings?

Unlike humans, they are not affected by feelings.

This is all based on the position.

It's an even game. 

Most GM's today use engines to analyze openings.

Are they dumb?

 

Look at engine tournaments without books and you'll see engines doing this a ton of the time.

You're ignorant. Hurry up and get banned, nonRussian filth.

And I bet 99.99% of players would still lose in that position.

Of course Rybka would never play that. It has a large database of two million games and a very developed opening book.

If a position is losing Rybka would give it at least 0.50 to 1.00.

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gambiteer12 wrote:

Firstly how is equality at move five a good thing? Secondly, engine evaluation is based almost purely on calculation. After a few moves in many benoni lines engines give an evaluation of +1 which is absurd. Take the benko gambit 1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3.d5 b5; crafty reckons +1.18 after move 3. 

Get a new engine.

Crafty is a pile of crap.

My engine estimates that position at about equal.

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You actually don't need engines for openings...

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MSC157 wrote:

You actually don't need engines for openings...

Tell that to 99.99% of GM's today.

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Yereslov wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

You actually don't need engines for openings...

Tell that to 99.99% of GM's today.

...& they would agree...xD

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gambiteer12 wrote:

Firstly how is equality at move five a good thing? Secondly, engine evaluation is based almost purely on calculation. After a few moves in many benoni lines engines give an evaluation of +1 which is absurd. Take the benko gambit 1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3.d5 b5; crafty reckons +1.18 after move 3. 

My houdini pro gives a evalution of 0.25 for benko gambit though.

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its never gonna stop. Next thing u know someone is gonna come up with a parham pawn structure and post it on the forum.

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Here is a grandmaster, applying a typical winning Parham structure:

 

 

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MSC, black has moved their king pawns wide open, and white can have a strong attack.

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looks like the elephant s****ed all over someone.

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I farmed my way to victory. :P

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The_Gavinator wrote:

MSC, black has moved their king pawns wide open, and white can have a strong attack.

Can have. But will not...

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AcivilizedGentleman wrote:

I tend to only play 3minutegames because I fear engine users, are they common in 10 minute games?

not until you reach like 2200, and by that point you should start playing titled players to avoid that. same with CC.

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Now everyone will know im not strong. :(

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