Agressive openings with D4?

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Samaritaine

Like asking for a grandma with still hot legs.

Feel agressive? Pplay e4!

MasterMatthew52

If you want an agressive line then play something like the Kings Gambit

MasterMatthew52

I like the london

Xbiker
Samaritaine wrote:

Like asking for a grandma with still hot legs.

Feel agressive? Pplay e4!

I started today with E4, and I feel quite happy, there is a lot to learn, but I like it, when the Sicilian is played I play Grand Prix Attack, I really like it, but I have a lot to learn. I wonder if somebody knows a good video about it, I think there is a good one on chess.com but I cannot find it.

And when E4, E5 I started playing Italian System as X_PLAYER_J_X  and I did like it endeed, also de Fried Liver Attack, I found it fascinating. The problem is that with E4, E5 there are many variations and you cannot alway start with this system, I suppose I will have to learn them.


Xbiker
MasterMatthew52 wrote:

If you want an agressive line then play something like the Kings Gambit

I found it exciting, I saw yeterday three videos here, now I am deciding what line to adopt if E4, E5, and that is a serious canditate. One of the things that I like it is that it seems that there are not so many variations and that I think is not so well know by the oponents

Another option is La Española / Rui Lopez, but it is also a huge opening

Xbiker
Der-Schachspieler wrote:

Thanks for the compliment :-), but there are players stronger than me who play the London.

There are two setups you should know. The first against the passive Be7, 0-0. Here White plays Ne5, Qf3-h3 and attacks on the kingside.

 

The 2nd is an early Bf5 when White plays c2-c4.

 

 

Well, I can understand when people say the London is not good for beginners. When you play for example the English opening, there are a lot of interesting strategic patterns (hedgehog, Maroczy bind,etc.) The London System is rather primitive :-) Not much to learn.

Anyway, there are a lot of videos on youtube, but I cannot learn from videos. Books are better for me.

http://www.amazon.com/London-System-Everyman-Chess-Series/dp/1857446399

http://www.amazon.com/Win-London-System-Sverre-Johnsen/dp/1904600352

https://www.newinchess.com/The_London_System-p-5096.html

I am not sure if the Lakdawala or the Kovacevic book is better. Both are good.

Hello, THANK YOU very much for your valueable advise, when  I play D4, that will be my choice

I will have to have a look at this books becuase when I have tryed I did not know what to do in a lot of situations, for instance people tend not take the knight on F5. I shoud really understand the System and what to do in any case, for this the best is probably a book. It is been a great discovery

Xbiker

Any of them could be easier to understand? or clearly explained? I do not have a great level. If not I will choose one randomly

kindaspongey

Win with the London System by Sverre Johnsen & Vlatko Kovacevic (2006)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627074459/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen85.pdf

Play the London System by Cyrus Lakdawala (2010)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627100246/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen139.pdf

The 2006 book starts with about 30 sample games and the rest is analysis that is better as reference material than something to read through. The 2010 book is pretty much entirely sample games. I forget where, but I think I read somewhere that Cyrus Lakdawala was working on a new repertoire book that advises a player to use the London System when playing with the White pieces.

MasterMatthew52

I read this: 

https://books.google.com/books/about/Win_with_the_London_System.html?id=Xn2ZAAAACAAJ&hl=en

Xbiker

Ok, I´ll took one of them, this is my option with D4.

No I have started with e4. For Sicilian is clear for me that my option is Grand Prix Attack.

My doubt is with e4. I have tryed several games with the Italian opening and I really have really liked it, I has a lo of tricks, and very instructive.

On the other hand I have seen some videos of Kings Gambit, more agressive, may be more dificult, and more unexpected (I imagine) because I do not really know what is played in this variations at my level. And I think it has common concepts with Grand Prix Attack, that I am going to play for sure. 

And last option would be Viennese opening, I like the "unexpected move" of going out with first with NC3.

Thanks,

Thanks for your advise,

kindaspongey

I just checked and it is possible to view a sample from Win with the London System at the Gambit Publications site. As I previously mentioned, the book has an illustrative game section and an analysis section. The analysis section is about twice the size of the game section. The available sample is from the analysis section.

kindaspongey

There seems to be an option at the Everyman Chess site to view a sample from Play the London System, but I could not figure out how to get it to work.

Xbiker

Thanks

RussBell

I have a feeling you might like the following book(s);

"Attacking With 1 e4" by John Emms....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1857442679?keywords=attacking%20with%201%20e4&qid=1452546262&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1

"Winning With 1 e4" by Andrew Soltis....

http://www.amazon.com/Winning-E4-Complete-Opening-System/dp/B000FJ0A7Y/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1452546361&sr=1-2&keywords=winning+with+1+e4

Both of these books present a complete opening repertoire for White.  Soltis' book, which was written earlier, obviously provided inspiration for Emms' book.

Against 1.e4 e5 - both books feature the Bishop's Opening (2.Bc4), looking (in the main line) to go into King's Gambit Declined (KGD) lines - where an example variation might go 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Nc6 4.Nc3 Bc5 5.f4 d6 6.Nf3 a6 7.f5 with White aiming for a kingside attack.  The opening is designed to be flexible and aggressive.

Against 1.e4 c5 -  the Sicilian Defense - both books present the Closed Sicilian (CS), starting with 2.Nc3 and looking toward a White set up with g3-Bg2-d3, and an early f4.  Aside from the fianchetto pawn in the CS, note the similarity of initial pawn structure to the KGD -  both openings employ similar Kingside attacking ideas (which is why the are both part of the repertoire, giving it more coherence).

Against 1.e4 e6 - the French Defence - Emms recommends/presents the King's Indian Attack (KIA) for White, whereas Soltis recommends for White to play the Advance Variation with 2.d4 d5 3.e5.  Many players on the second side dislike playing against the Advance, as it can be hard for Black to gain an advantage in this variation against the well prepared first player.  Either the KIA or Advance Variation are good choices for White against the French.

Against 1.e5 c6 - the Caro Kann - Emms recommends 2.c4, whereas Soltis gives 2.d4.  But both repertoire suggestions see a quick exchange of center pawns.  I think I prefer Soltis' approach though, as White's resulting early postions seem to be more consistent with the Kingside attacking motifs employed in the 1.e4 e5 repertoire lines.

While Emms' book is more thorough in its overall treatement, both books have much in common and present interesting, dynamic yet solid ideas for opening repertoire lines for the beginner through intermediate player (and beyond).

The Bishop's Opening (1.e4 e5 2.Bc4) is a very flexible way of developing for White.  It can be used to lead into a variety of dynamic opening lines including, among others, the Italian Game, the Vienna Game and the King's Gambit Declined (as in the two books discussed above).

If you want to play the Italian Game using the Bishop's Opening move order, an excellent repertoire is presented in

"Beating 1 e4 e5" by John Emms

(any book by Emms is going to be good)

http://www.amazon.com/Beating-1e4-e5-Repertoire-White/dp/1857446178/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1452567736&sr=1-1&keywords=beating+1+e4+e5

 

Finally a nice introduction to the Bishop's Opening in general (to illustrate its possibilities) is the following Kindle book by Jon Edwards (you can download the free Kindle reader app for PC or mobile, from amazon).  The author is a correspondence chess champion.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006JBY8U2?keywords=bishops%20opening%20chess&qid=1452552627&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1

Diakonia
Xbiker wrote:

I am used to start with d4, and I like to play agressive, but it is not so easy as when the opening is with e4. For instance, I play with my cousin he almost always use the grand prix attack against me with excellent results, is there any kind of similar attack when you use d4, I am looking for something similar. I starting to have a look at the English Opening, and stonewall attack, although I do not know if that last it worth a while, if it is  only for beginners or not, because when I start d4, c4, almost everybody knows it and it is quite difficult to make a great difference in the opening, I am looking for a good and agressive variation, but not with e4. Thanks in advanced for your comments and kind regards,

You want an agrressive opening yet you lost in 7 moves in a G/10, by missing a very simple tactic.

Xbiker

RussBell  Thank you very much , It seems quite interesting I try to read it, I am really feeling comfortable with e4, it is been a very good change. I never did it, I always sticke to d4 and I must say I am really happy it has much more lines to attack, beatiful lines

RussBell
Xbiker wrote:

RussBell  Thank you very much , It seems quite interesting I try to read it, I am really feeling comfortable with e4, it is been a very good change. I never did it, I always sticke to d4 and I must say I am really happy it has much more lines to attack, beatiful lines

You are very welcome, my friend.  Glad to be of help.

kareldevries
X biker, I would suggest that you try to focus on easy, positional openings first, learn to think 2 moves ahead, learn to recognize simple combinations first before playing agressive openings.

In your current open game with black you mis a very simple combination. You can't play agressive openings (resulting in tactics) without proper tactical skills.
Xbiker

Thanks for your advise,

That was a punctual and terrible mistake, there are also wondeful mates with good tactics in my games, but thank you, no doubt is a good advise, and I would have suggested the same if I had jus seen this game

Pulpofeira

True, but I honestly think those type of openings would be a good school to develop those skills, if you don't mind to be bashed time to time.