Alekhine's Defense

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DeathofaSuperhero
poucin wrote:
LeifWulf a écrit :

That Diagram is lines from the second video. There are four moves that black could possibly enact to go against this. As he states this is not a sound opening but who really cares. 

The problem is that black's best moves are obvious, so there is little to hope here.

U can expect black go wrong (9...Qd7 was not obvious but even after 9...Nc6, black is fine, while the other moves where very easy to find), but why not playing something good instead?

If u want to gamble, why not playing poker and not chess?

Actually I do play poker! But anyways I was just giving out new information to those who might enjoy it. Those Videos are worth the watch. You don't play the Alekhine's defense for soundness, or at least I don't. I play it, for a surprise. It's fun. And also on move 10. (black's move) is incorrect. Yes black is winning but you have to play Qg4 to win a pawn. Especially in blitz this usually instantly wins a pawn because people move to fast and the knight can take on e4. Yes I'm aware that sounds very noobish, but never take the fun out of chess and be all analytical. 

ExtremeRamblings

The reason why this opening isn't played that often is that you give up a lot of space. Space advantage is one of several strategic key factors in a position. Kramnik once said about the king's indian that white has more space and that always means something, it's something you can work with. I think he would think so about the alekhine as well.

I played the alekhine for a while but I always suffered because of the lack of space. It's easier to go wrong with black than with white.

I encountered the alekhine once and I played the following line

Black should be able to defend but I think the positiion is easier to play for white. Also most Alekhine players prepare for the main lines with Nf3 so you have a high chance of catching them on the wrong foot. 

White will try to attack on the kingside (Nf3, Qg4, Nc3-e4 or Nbd2-d4, Bg5, h4-h5 and so on).

Black will play on the queenside e.g. Na6-c5 or play c5 with the idea of c4

Aguia21

 

Aguia21
ExtremeRamblings escreveu:

The reason why this opening isn't played that often is that you give up a lot of space. Space advantage is one of several strategic key factors in a position. Kramnik once said about the king's indian that white has more space and that always means something, it's something you can work with. I think he would think so about the alekhine as well.

I played the alekhine for a while but I always suffered because of the lack of space. It's easier to go wrong with black than with white.

I encountered the alekhine once and I played the following line

 

Black should be able to defend but I think the positiion is easier to play for white. Also most Alekhine players prepare for the main lines with Nf3 so you have a high chance of catching them on the wrong foot. 

White will try to attack on the kingside (Nf3, Qg4, Nc3-e4 or Nbd2-d4, Bg5, h4-h5 and so on).

Black will play on the queenside e.g. Na6-c5 or play c5 with the idea of c4

 

 

ChessPlayer0112358

This was also one of Lev Alburt's typical defenses against e4.

DeathofaSuperhero
KeithNunemaker wrote:

This was also one of Lev Alburt's typical defenses against e4.

Yeah I have looked at many of his games. He's quite an interesting chess player.

LethalRook_1892
Alekhine's Defence is really great, my second favourite response to 1. e4, apart from the Sicilian.
blueemu

I had a tournament game about 35 years ago against the Alekhine's, that started like this:

... then it got weird.

DeathofaSuperhero
LethalRook_1892 wrote:
Alekhine's Defence is really great, my second favourite response to 1. e4, apart from the Sicilian.

What variation of the Sicilian Defense? 

DeathofaSuperhero
blueemu wrote:

I had a tournament game about 35 years ago against the Alekhine's, that started like this:

... then it got weird.

In what way? You definitely have to elaborate! I see some ways that black could escape, But that e6 pawn is really stopping movement for black's side. 

blueemu
LeifWulf wrote:

In what way? 

Black counter-sacrificed on e6, then we started pounding back-and-forth with little regard for material. Not sure of the moves, though... the game was decades ago.

I think there was a game by... Golombek?... in the same line.

LethalRook_1892
#92:

Sicilian, Open, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, Chinese dragon. The Chinese dragon is denoted by the move 10. ... Rb8.
LethalRook_1892
My favourite line in particular is:

1. e2-e4 c7-c5
2. Ng1-f3 d7-d6
3. d2-d4 c5xd4
4. Nf3xd4 Ng8-f6
5. Nb1-c3 g7-g6
6. Bc1-e3 Bf8-g7
7. f2-f3 Nb8-c6
8. Bf1-c4 O-O
9. Qd1-d2 Bc8-d7
10. O-O-O Ra8-b8
11. Bc4-b3 Nc6-a5
12. Be3-h6 Bg7xh6
13. Qd2xh6 b7-b5
14. g2-g4 Na5xb3
15. Nd4xb3 b5-b4
16. Nc3-d5 Nf6xd5
17. e4xd5 Rb8-b6
18. Rh1-e1 e7-e5
19. d5xe6 f7xe6
20. Re1-e3 Rf8-f7
21. Nb3-d2 d6-d5
22. Nd2-b3 Rb6-b8

*Anything from there is fine, as long as you play proper tactical play.*
LethalRook_1892
Because the position is obviously bordering on tactical.
DeathofaSuperhero
blueemu wrote:
LeifWulf wrote:

In what way? 

Black counter-sacrificed on e6, then we started pounding back-and-forth with little regard for material. Not sure of the moves, though... the game was decades ago.

I think there was a game by... Golombek?... in the same line.

I don't know if Golombek was the player that played that variation. I found few games of the Alekhine's defense. Harry playing against 'Brown' in London 1949 and also 'Conel Hugh O'Donel Alexander' in Hastings 1935? 

DeathofaSuperhero


 Your notation was hard to translate into a board, but I managed to figure it out. This is a sick game jeez! 

DeathofaSuperhero
LethalRook_1892 wrote:
#92:

Sicilian, Open, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, Chinese dragon. The Chinese dragon is denoted by the move 10. ... Rb8.

Of the three or four standard black Sicilian variations (Classical 5..Nc6, Najdorf 5...a6, Scheveningen 5....e6 and The dragon 5...g6) I think the dragon is the most fun and has some crazy positions.   

LethalRook_1892
#100
Yeah!
LethalRook_1892
#99:

This very line was played between Leinier Dominguez and Magnus Carlsen in 2009. Magnus won as Black.
LethalRook_1892
It's also featured in a chess.com lesson, I believe.