Annoying E4 to E5 by White in Sicilian

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I'm still very much learning how to play the Siclian Defense as BLACK and seem to run into a lot of players at my sub-1200 level that play e4 to e5 (on move #2) as WHITE.  This tends to be very annoying for me and has led to many losses on my part.  It's hard to evict that pawn once it gets to e5.  It seems WHITE can continue to reinforce it in multiple ways (even going so far as c3 and d4 where there is a triangular pawn structure all reinforcing e5 - people have done this to me!).  

What is a good way of being able to respond to this from WHITE?  I generally try not to play f6, as that opens up a line to my King (and even if I do with hopes that WHITE takes and I take back with my f6 Knight to develop, WHITE is often smart enough to not take and just sit there with that pawn cramping my whole Kingside), but can't seem to find a smooth way of evicting/taking that pawn and developing my pieces. 
kikvors

If you play 4...Bg4 pinning the knight, what does white do?

TheEinari

Would this be possible continuation?

Toire
kikvors wrote:

If you play 4...Bg4 pinning the knight, what does white do?

5.Be2 or Bb5 probably.

erikido23

I like 2g6 and nh6....a g5 by white terminally weakensthe light squares.  H4 is not dangerous.  It is a very positional line.  But, if you study it on your own you can learn something about positional chess

Go over some possible lines and what you think might give you difficulties.  Maybe I can give some suggestions there

adumbrate
X_PLAYER_J_X

I agree with sko. for a little bit. I don't like his follow up though. However, I like the first 2 moves.

It is a French/Caro kann position on steriods. Its like a upgraded version of both lines which is better for black.

 

 
 
 
 
adumbrate

the bishop might get useless/ get trapped on  f5

ponz111

slightly better not to play Bf5 and hold back for White to play Nf3 and then pin the knight with Bg4.  

GreenCastleBlock

I actually like the 2...Nc6 move order here because it makes White declare how he is going to defend the e5 pawn - with Nf3 blocking the f pawn or with the committal f2-f4.  If 3.f4 then e5 is going to be well fortified and Black should play 3...d5! to go for the blockade on the light squares.

If 3.Nf3 on the other hand maybe Black wants to try to increase the pressure on e5 by playing 3...d6 instead of ...d5.  It's not clear how White plays after 3...d6 actually.  Black may already have an advantage.

X_PLAYER_J_X
skotheim2 wrote:

the bishop might get useless/ get trapped on  f5

I don't mind trading off the LSB. My idea is to have my pawns on light squares. I like the idea of provoking white to play moves like g4 etc. trying to trap my bishop.

I also do not mind playing 2...Nc6 before my bishop move. The only thing I didn't really like about your diagram was the d4 pawn push. I guess you was trying to gain space. However, does seem like a very over stretching move to me.

adumbrate

well this is the ideal setup for white, so getting white out of his comfort zone is what you want:

DrSpudnik

That looks like a French Advance Variation pawn structure.

xXxMadd_HatterxXx

kikvors wrote:

If you play 4...Bg4 pinning the knight, what does white do?

Easy refutation to this line I came up with. I'm about 1400 strength. My rating in blitz is low due to frequent encounters with engine users. However,I destroy people in this line with a pawn sac.here's the line : 1.e4 1. C5 2. E5? 2.nc6. If white plays f4, play g5. They play nf6 play bg7 then play f6, attacking the e5. Exf6 nxf6fxg6 nf8nc3qc7 then follow up with b6, bb7,o-o-o, challenge the g pawn with h6, put your knight back on f6 centralize your rooks and push the central pawns. I beat someone in 21 moves doing this

xXxMadd_HatterxXx

I meant, they play nf3*

X_PLAYER_J_X
skotheim2 wrote:

well this is the ideal setup for white, so getting white out of his comfort zone is what you want:

 

It is a French Advanced with no bad Light Square bishop.

I would take black.

ponz111

after 1. e4  c5  2. e5??  White has given up his first move advantage and Black actually has some advantage.

MrWayne

No flame intended but it seems obvious you are playing against unskilled players using the e4-e5 move.  Violating the opening rule of never moving the same piece or pawn more than once in the opening UNLESS you have a good reason.

Researched the e4-e5 in my Sicilian DB with no return.  Researched in a 2 million game DB with less than 20 game return.

Anylized the e4-e5 with Database Software SCID (free off the internet) according to Toga engine ...Nc6 is your correct reply. 

Do you have chess database software to anylize your games?  If not SCID is fully functioning & free with a users group here at C.com.  Of course there are many other Chess Databsase programs out  there. 

I suggest you consider geting DB software anylize all your games then review them especially the first 15 moves

PeskyGnat

As stupid as it looks, I thought about 1. e4 c5 2. e5 f6, just might be playable and make for an interesting game.

Warbringer33

Why is a sub 1200 playing the Sicilian?