Any aggressive gambits I should try out with white?

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AhmedAryan

Another gambit is the Bataov gambit, where white sacrifices the queen, and it's still equal.

White sacrifices their queen to expose black's king, and get rid of black's only active pieces, the knight and bishop. White is aiming to restrict black's play. The best line for both sides is this line.

The evaluation is -0.6, this gambit is playable in tournaments. However, it takes quite a bit of preparation as this gambit is very very sharp.

pleewo
AhmedAryan wrote:

Another gambit is the Bataov gambit, where white sacrifices the queen, and it's still equal.

White sacrifices their queen to expose black's king, and get rid of black's only active pieces, the knight and bishop. White is aiming to restrict black's play. The best line for both sides is this line.

The evaluation is -0.6, this gambit is playable in tournaments. However, it takes quite a bit of preparation as this gambit is very very sharp.

Bruh no one cares about 2.f4 and nf3 vs Sicilian

AhmedAryan
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
AhmedAryan wrote:

Another gambit is the Bataov gambit, where white sacrifices the queen, and it's still equal.

White sacrifices their queen to expose black's king, and get rid of black's only active pieces, the knight and bishop. White is aiming to restrict black's play. The best line for both sides is this line.

The evaluation is -0.6, this gambit is playable in tournaments. However, it takes quite a bit of preparation as this gambit is very very sharp.

Bruh no one cares about 2.f4 and nf3 vs Sicilian

Right... check the Master's database I'm totally sure nobody ever plays it 100% absolutely.

pleewo

Looks like nonsense to me

AhmedAryan
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Looks like nonsense to me

Wow, playing f4 is so nonsensical and doesn't follow any principles in any way, 100%. It's totally breaking every principle in the book and doesn't have any source of play. Grandmasters totally don't play it.

Jobava vs A Korborv 2013, H Danielsen vs K Schmidt, 2013, S N Longson vs L Varnam, 2013, all the grandmasters that played the Grand Prix attack are actually just complete idiots cause it "Looks like nonsense to me".

If we're going to follow that, we should all remove these openings from our repertoire.

We should never do these because they "Look like nonsense.".

pleewo

F4 isn’t the move I have big problems with, but nf3 is afterwards. Like bruh looks like nonsense

pleewo

Yes we should remove birds from our repertoire because it’s nonsense. But in no way f3 Grunfeld is nonsense. Just like the saemisch nimzo, its logical in the sense that it supports e4.1…f5 vs e4 is actual nonsense and no sane person except hikaru in blitz has it in their repertoire. Kings gambit makes some sense, it’s not nonsense. Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr

pleewo

It looks like your idea of nonsense is if anybody moves their f-pawn. Which is nonsense

PabloNajdorf

Nonsense is you rejecting every f pawn move idea. Chess is not only characterized by precision or structural integrity, but y flexibility too.

chainlincfence
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

F4 isn’t the move I have big problems with, but nf3 is afterwards. Like bruh looks like nonsense

Nf3 is to stop Qh4+ lmao

chainlincfence
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Yes we should remove birds from our repertoire because it’s nonsense. But in no way f3 Grunfeld is nonsense. Just like the saemisch nimzo, its logical in the sense that it supports e4.1…f5 vs e4 is actual nonsense and no sane person except hikaru in blitz has it in their repertoire. Kings gambit makes some sense, it’s not nonsense. Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr

"Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr" So if white moves the Bishop one square further, the opening is genius, but if it goes to c4, it's outlandish and unsound at any level? I play the Vienna and Rousseau and on occasion the Jaenisch/Schliemann. They all play fine and none of them are nonsense.

pleewo
chainlincfence wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

F4 isn’t the move I have big problems with, but nf3 is afterwards. Like bruh looks like nonsense

Nf3 is to stop Qh4+ lmao

im not talkig about vienna gambit, im talking about this e4, c5, f4, d5, nf3 nonsense this other guy was talking about

pleewo
chainlincfence wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Yes we should remove birds from our repertoire because it’s nonsense. But in no way f3 Grunfeld is nonsense. Just like the saemisch nimzo, its logical in the sense that it supports e4.1…f5 vs e4 is actual nonsense and no sane person except hikaru in blitz has it in their repertoire. Kings gambit makes some sense, it’s not nonsense. Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr

"Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr" So if white moves the Bishop one square further, the opening is genius, but if it goes to c4, it's outlandish and unsound at any level? I play the Vienna and Rousseau and on occasion the Jaenisch/Schliemann. They all play fine and none of them are nonsense.

i never said the schliemann makes sense, but it does lmao. Its because the white bishop on c4 is much more dangerous with the newly opened diagonal. Rosseau makes little sense fr.

TheSampson
chainlincfence wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Yes we should remove birds from our repertoire because it’s nonsense. But in no way f3 Grunfeld is nonsense. Just like the saemisch nimzo, its logical in the sense that it supports e4.1…f5 vs e4 is actual nonsense and no sane person except hikaru in blitz has it in their repertoire. Kings gambit makes some sense, it’s not nonsense. Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr

"Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr" So if white moves the Bishop one square further, the opening is genius, but if it goes to c4, it's outlandish and unsound at any level? I play the Vienna and Rousseau and on occasion the Jaenisch/Schliemann. They all play fine and none of them are nonsense.

"This is a great line that everyone should try!"

"bro misclicked 💀"

oh wait it's the exact same situation you described 🤔

chainlincfence
TheSampson wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Yes we should remove birds from our repertoire because it’s nonsense. But in no way f3 Grunfeld is nonsense. Just like the saemisch nimzo, its logical in the sense that it supports e4.1…f5 vs e4 is actual nonsense and no sane person except hikaru in blitz has it in their repertoire. Kings gambit makes some sense, it’s not nonsense. Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr

"Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr" So if white moves the Bishop one square further, the opening is genius, but if it goes to c4, it's outlandish and unsound at any level? I play the Vienna and Rousseau and on occasion the Jaenisch/Schliemann. They all play fine and none of them are nonsense.

"This is a great line that everyone should try!"

"bro misclicked 💀"

oh wait it's the exact same situation you described 🤔

Wait srry I'm a bit confused by this. Could I get some context

TheSampson
chainlincfence wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Yes we should remove birds from our repertoire because it’s nonsense. But in no way f3 Grunfeld is nonsense. Just like the saemisch nimzo, its logical in the sense that it supports e4.1…f5 vs e4 is actual nonsense and no sane person except hikaru in blitz has it in their repertoire. Kings gambit makes some sense, it’s not nonsense. Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr

"Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr" So if white moves the Bishop one square further, the opening is genius, but if it goes to c4, it's outlandish and unsound at any level? I play the Vienna and Rousseau and on occasion the Jaenisch/Schliemann. They all play fine and none of them are nonsense.

"This is a great line that everyone should try!"

"bro misclicked 💀"

oh wait it's the exact same situation you described 🤔

Wait srry I'm a bit confused by this. Could I get some context

The Schliemann

The Rosseau

The difference is one bishop move. “Just because the bishop went to c4 means that the opening is unsound at every level?”

The Morphy (good)

Misclick (bad)

I don’t really know how to explain it any further

chainlincfence
TheSampson wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Yes we should remove birds from our repertoire because it’s nonsense. But in no way f3 Grunfeld is nonsense. Just like the saemisch nimzo, its logical in the sense that it supports e4.1…f5 vs e4 is actual nonsense and no sane person except hikaru in blitz has it in their repertoire. Kings gambit makes some sense, it’s not nonsense. Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr

"Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr" So if white moves the Bishop one square further, the opening is genius, but if it goes to c4, it's outlandish and unsound at any level? I play the Vienna and Rousseau and on occasion the Jaenisch/Schliemann. They all play fine and none of them are nonsense.

"This is a great line that everyone should try!"

"bro misclicked 💀"

oh wait it's the exact same situation you described 🤔

Wait srry I'm a bit confused by this. Could I get some context

The Schliemann

The Rosseau

The difference is one bishop move. “Just because the bishop went to c4 means that the opening is unsound at every level?”

The Morphy (good)

Misclick (bad)

I don’t really know how to explain it any further

Sorry. I'm mostly confused about what the Misclick means. Do you mean that you can't play the same lines against different moves? If so, yeah that's true but the Jaenisch and Rousseau are different openings.

pleewo

Exactly. They are different. One is better than the other

chainlincfence
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Exactly. They are different. One is better than the other

I mean if you mean according to the engine, it's like +1 for white in Rousseau and +0.5 in the Jaenisch. a 0.5 difference is not exactly exploitable at most levels. No need to act like people don't drop plennnty of games against both openings. People act like d4 is a refutation but I still win games in those lines because no one knows how to deal with it.

TheSampson
chainlincfence wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Yes we should remove birds from our repertoire because it’s nonsense. But in no way f3 Grunfeld is nonsense. Just like the saemisch nimzo, its logical in the sense that it supports e4.1…f5 vs e4 is actual nonsense and no sane person except hikaru in blitz has it in their repertoire. Kings gambit makes some sense, it’s not nonsense. Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr

"Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr" So if white moves the Bishop one square further, the opening is genius, but if it goes to c4, it's outlandish and unsound at any level? I play the Vienna and Rousseau and on occasion the Jaenisch/Schliemann. They all play fine and none of them are nonsense.

"This is a great line that everyone should try!"

"bro misclicked 💀"

oh wait it's the exact same situation you described 🤔

Wait srry I'm a bit confused by this. Could I get some context

The Schliemann

The Rosseau

The difference is one bishop move. “Just because the bishop went to c4 means that the opening is unsound at every level?”

The Morphy (good)

Misclick (bad)

I don’t really know how to explain it any further

Sorry. I'm mostly confused about what the Misclick means. Do you mean that you can't play the same lines against different moves? If so, yeah that's true but the Jaenisch and Rousseau are different openings.

I was joking