Any aggressive gambits I should try out with white?

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Sea_TurtIe

choose more sound gambits, not all out crazy gambits that are losing by force

ill give a list of sound, good gambits

  • Morphy gambit
  • Smith-Morra
  • Danish Gambit
  • Scotch Gambit
  • Bishops Gambit 
  • Ponziani Gambit
  • Urusov gambit
  • Open italian

d4 gambits

  • Queens gambit
  • Blackmar Gambit ( a bit dubious but not that bad)
  • Catalan opening
  • Staunton Gambit
  • London system Morris Countergambit
  • dutch defense tate gambit
  • Benko gambit,Mulkin Countergambit

prob forgot some but there are some valid gambits for white that arent refutable

chainlincfence
TheSampson wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Yes we should remove birds from our repertoire because it’s nonsense. But in no way f3 Grunfeld is nonsense. Just like the saemisch nimzo, its logical in the sense that it supports e4.1…f5 vs e4 is actual nonsense and no sane person except hikaru in blitz has it in their repertoire. Kings gambit makes some sense, it’s not nonsense. Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr

"Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr" So if white moves the Bishop one square further, the opening is genius, but if it goes to c4, it's outlandish and unsound at any level? I play the Vienna and Rousseau and on occasion the Jaenisch/Schliemann. They all play fine and none of them are nonsense.

"This is a great line that everyone should try!"

"bro misclicked 💀"

oh wait it's the exact same situation you described 🤔

Wait srry I'm a bit confused by this. Could I get some context

The Schliemann

The Rosseau

The difference is one bishop move. “Just because the bishop went to c4 means that the opening is unsound at every level?”

The Morphy (good)

Misclick (bad)

I don’t really know how to explain it any further

Sorry. I'm mostly confused about what the Misclick means. Do you mean that you can't play the same lines against different moves? If so, yeah that's true but the Jaenisch and Rousseau are different openings.

I was joking

Ah I see

JoeMamaForever420

Most aggressive gambits (in my opinion).

Obviously does not mean they are good

Halloween Gambit (tell me if i memorized the line wrong)

Double Muzio (most aggressive sideline of the Muzio, which is also pretty aggressive)

Jerome Gambit
Nahkmanson gambit
 
 
AhmedAryan
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

F4 isn’t the move I have big problems with, but nf3 is afterwards. Like bruh looks like nonsense

Ah, ok. The thing is, Nf3 is rejecting the Tal gambit and doing a countergambit.

AhmedAryan
PabloNajdorf wrote:

Nonsense is you rejecting every f pawn move idea. Chess is not only characterized by precision or structural integrity, but y flexibility too.

Have you heard of sarcasm yet?

AhmedAryan
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Yes we should remove birds from our repertoire because it’s nonsense. But in no way f3 Grunfeld is nonsense. Just like the saemisch nimzo, its logical in the sense that it supports e4.1…f5 vs e4 is actual nonsense and no sane person except hikaru in blitz has it in their repertoire. Kings gambit makes some sense, it’s not nonsense. Vienna gambit makes sense. The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr

Yeah nope you clearly didn't see the earlier pages on the other thread. I'm not going to write it again on why the hell the Rosseau gambit is better than the Jaenisch gambit and why it's not comeplete dogwater. If you really want to see why the bishop on c4 is worse than b5 then go through pages 3-11 of the "what are good openings against e4" if you want to see what I wrote about these not being garbage.

AhmedAryan
chainlincfence wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

F4 isn’t the move I have big problems with, but nf3 is afterwards. Like bruh looks like nonsense

Nf3 is to stop Qh4+ lmao

Black hasn't moved the e pawn how in the world does the queen kangaroo over the e pawn. Also, no need to stop Qh4+, it's not going to do any damage.

Sea_TurtIe

ive won like this so much on lichess

AhmedAryan
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

ive won like this so much on lichess

goofy ahh transposition

TheSampson
AhmedAryan wrote:
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

ive won like this so much on lichess

goofy ahh transposition

Goofy ahh transposition

SamuelAjedrez95
chainlincfence wrote:

The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr" So if white moves the Bishop one square further, the opening is genius, but if it goes to c4, it's outlandish and unsound at any level?

Absolutely. The placement of the bishop makes a massive difference. In the Ruy Lopez the bishop is pointing at the c6 knight. In the Italian the bishop is staring down the kingside, so after f5, black can no longer effectively castle.

chainlincfence
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:

The Schliemann makes sense and the Rousseau makes no sense fr fr" So if white moves the Bishop one square further, the opening is genius, but if it goes to c4, it's outlandish and unsound at any level?

Absolutely. The placement of the bishop makes a massive difference. In the Ruy Lopez the bishop is pointing at the c6 knight. In the Italian the bishop is staring down the kingside, so after f5, black can no longer effectively castle.

at least in my experience, I end up playing d4 and negating the bishop almost every time so it hasn't mattered.

SamuelAjedrez95

@chainlincfence

d4 where? Show the line

chainlincfence
 SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

@chainlincfence

d4 where? Show the line

Line 4 has no d4 but it's not actually bad to allow the fork and is close to equal since they can't really take the rook at any point. Line 4's eval is about +0.8 at best for white and there are a lotta ways white can go wrong.

Moonflux

The Danish Gambit.

AhmedAryan
thechessgod5454 wrote:

Rossseau gambit used to be rare and then when gotham made a video. His fans start using it. 

I didn't learn it from Gothamchess, I was randomly looking at gambits and found one about it from Chess Vibes.

PabloNajdorf
AhmedAryan wrote:
PabloNajdorf wrote:

Nonsense is you rejecting every f pawn move idea. Chess is not only characterized by precision or structural integrity, but y flexibility too.

Have you heard of sarcasm yet?

No. What type of wave is that?

SamuelAjedrez95
chainlincfence wrote:
 
 SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

@chainlincfence

d4 where? Show the line

Line 4 has no d4 but it's not actually bad to allow the fork and is close to equal since they can't really take the rook at any point. Line 4's eval is about +0.8 at best for white and there are a lotta ways white can go wrong.

Let's take your examples and lable them examples 1, 2, 3, 4.

I'll only go through 1 and 3 briefly. These are just showing bad play by white to make it look better.

Example 1: The Rousseau Gambit sells this trick where taking on f5 is bad because of e5-e4. Anyone who has any decent chess sense would not give up the centre and allow this.

Example 3: This is an obvious centre fork trick. Anyone who is any good at chess will know this idea from the 4 knights Italian.

These are literally baby steps.

So case one, you can't show that an opening is good by showing bad lines for the other side "Look how good this opening is when the opponent makes this BAD move."

Example 4: This is transposing into the Lucchini Gambit. It sells another trick where this Knight Attack doesn't work, as black gets a strong attack. This might be a bit harder to see for some but after 5. Nc3, white is significantly better.

Example 2: This is the good line for white, but you cut it short, as to not show how horrible it looks for black.

You have to play stuff like Qd6 and be passive. Normally when someone plays a gambit, it's for rapid development, initiative and attack. This is doing none of those things. It's a gambit where you basically strangle yourself.

In the Ruy Lopez, d4 isn't as strong because of 4. d4 fxe4 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. dxe5 c6. And c6 comes with tempo on the bishop.

Maybe some of the tricks you showed work against inexperienced players. If they don't work then you just have a garbage position.

It's not a serious opening.

Sea_TurtIe

the 6.c6 line in the ruy, isint there a sacrifice line for white where you dont move your bishop?

SamuelAjedrez95
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

the 6.c6 line in the ruy, isint there a sacrifice line for white where you dont move your bishop?

Ah yeah. It does look interesting. It seems to get very sharp and complicated. It's still dubious for white though, so not ultimately a serious threat to the Schliemann.