You say you were white but your comments sound like you were black. For example, the comment after 8 dxc5, "I didn't even consider this in the game." If you didn't consider the move, why did you play it?
You also don't say how long you are letting the computer run, what type of computer you are using, etc.
At any rate, no one can hope to understand all the recommendations that computers make.
Hi notmtwain and petrip, thanks for the comments. Just getting back to notmtwain, i was running Stockfish for 3 seconds per move and it gave those lines and evaluation at the end. I also ran stockfish for 10 secs per move and it recommended 7. Qd2 and 7. Bd2 not not sure what it recommends after. I guess just to clarify, i'm more interested in hearing people's views on White's position after ...Bxb2 not for the whole engine lines. Thanks again.
Hi notmtwain, i didnt play 8. dxc5, in fact i played 7. c3 and didnt enter into 7. Bd2 because during the game i didnt like the continuation. What i meant by "i didnt consider this" is during the game i didnt even analyze dxc5 in the Bd2 line, although i considered the possibility of 7. Bd2, because i think i just automatically ruled it out.
Black pieces looks crammed and hard to bring into game. I think that more than compensates the ruined pawn structure
This. Who cares about the pawn structure, or even missing a pawn, when Black has no good way to develop, and almost every white piece is agressively placed...
Wow thanks guys! Very helpful stuff. I guess what i'm often worried about is when i have all these isolated pawns, i really need to make use of my development because if not, the pawns can become targets and be a long-term weakness. My problem is i often have trouble putting pressure on my opponent and if he/she defends well, i'm left with long-term weaknesses. PS. I'm using a normal PC not a super computer.
Wow RoutetoGM, thanks for the comment. That's a very interesting point, I wouldnt have thought that about ...e5, I'd need to spend some time looking at that.
@blackpug: just that you play badly in some types of good positions doesn't mean they're not good.
When you see the result of your lines, just look at the opponent's pieces! Bishop still stuck on c8, rooks nowhere near connected, still on a8 and h8.
Maybe you should play gambits for a year or so. They really force you to go for maximum activity, all the time, and take any chance to punish the opponent that you might get. And they teach you that one pawn often doesn't really matter that much (let alone a mere worse structure).
You have black as ???
Was this even a person? I can't figure out black is doing, I would love to be white in this game.
8...Kf8? I almost want to put ??, giving up castling rights for absolutely no reason, and to met looks like a double wasted tempo (longer to complete castle, and what did it do?)
8...Kf8 is the best out of a bad choice... Black already has severe problems.
@blackpug: just that you play badly in some types of good positions doesn't mean they're not good.
When you see the result of your lines, just look at the opponent's pieces! Bishop still stuck on c8, rooks nowhere near connected, still on a8 and h8.
Maybe you should play gambits for a year or so. They really force you to go for maximum activity, all the time, and take any chance to punish the opponent that you might get. And they teach you that one pawn often doesn't really matter that much (let alone a mere worse structure).
I think you hit it on the nail! Just because I don't play certain positions well doesn't mean those positions are bad, spot on.
That made me realize it's kind of funny, I'll play the Black side of a French Winawer, Poisoned Pawn variation where I'm missing my h and g pawns but I'm ok with that. But in the opening I posted above, I wasn't ok with not having a b-pawn. I think it's a mental block I have, thinking certain positions are bad (like having isolated pawns), and this is something I need to undo.
8...Kf8 is the best out of a bad choice... Black already has severe problems.
This is helpful, thanks. I wouldn't have thought Black already had severe problems on move 8. This is probably because I tend to underestimate my own attacking chances and overestimate my opponent's defensive resources. I think I just need to see more of these positions to improve my chess.
You have black as ???
Was this even a person? I can't figure out black is doing, I would love to be white in this game.
8...Kf8? I almost want to put ??, giving up castling rights for absolutely no reason, and to met looks like a double wasted tempo (longer to complete castle, and what did it do?)
because it will be forked with rook by knight if it did not move Kf8...
You have black as ???
Was this even a person? I can't figure out black is doing, I would love to be white in this game.
8...Kf8? I almost want to put ??, giving up castling rights for absolutely no reason, and to met looks like a double wasted tempo (longer to complete castle, and what did it do?)
because it will be forked with rook by knight if it did not move Kf8...
Ah. yes, now I see. Dang that was a weird opening by black though - that he was even in a position to be forked out of a rook with rooks and king on their starting squares by move 8.
Hello everyone,
I was hoping for some help in analyzing this opening that came up in a game I just played. Thanks in advance. I was playing White and lost. As usual I first went over it myself without an engine, then I turned on Stockfish to see what I missed. I was surprised to see Stockfish's recommendations on move 7: 7. Qd2 (first choice) and 7. Bd2 (second choice) especially because the continuations both result in a bunch of isolated pawns for White. Would a human play these moves? FYI in my game I played 7. c3.
I'm especially curious about whether a human would choose to play with these isolated pawns because if yes (in fact Stockfish gives White +1.1 in both lines), I'd need to change the way I evaluate these positions because in the game and in the post-mortem I didn't even consider these lines, thinking they looked bad. I still think the shattered pawn structure looks bad for White but I have a feeling I'm wrong.
Thanks for your help!
***Added after posting: I'm more interested in hearing about White's position after Black plays ...Bxb2 in both lines, not really looking at the entire engine lines, thanks.