Beating the Dunst Opening?

Hello again!

I wanted to know if anyone here at chess.com has come across any good tactical tricks or tips for the Dunst Opening. It's been used against me a few times with even results, but I always knew I could do better if I had some helpful information from you all. Now for the real question. should I use 1...c5? or 1...d5? I am not experienced enough yet to answer this myself, so I look to the more experienced player with this opening for an answer. It being the 8th most common 1st move and being quite playable for white I felt this issue needed to be addressed.

First of all white can get away with playing 1. Nc3 and not be worse. That is the freedom you get as white. There is no refutation for playing Nc3.

After white plays Nc3 there are several good ways to respond depending on your normal opening rep. c5 tend to lead to closed sicilians while c6 tends to lead to caro cann. d5 is probably fine too but you leads to complex positions where white does have chances.

Personally i like answering Nc3 with Nf6. After 2. e4 black can then play 2 .. e5 and enter the Vienna that leads to a good game for black. If white plays 2. d4 you can answer with 2. .. d5 and enter the versersov another opening that is not bad but also does not offer white the same chances of an opening advantage as the queens gambit

thank you moonie for your information! I will definetly use your ideas in my bullet games. Thank you very much for helping me :)

1.Nc3 d5 is the theoretically approved response.  It limits White's viable choices by introducing the possibility of ...d5-d4 kicking the N.  After 1...d5 White typically plays either 2.e4 or 2.d4.

1.Nc3 d5 2.d4 is a Veresov, where 2...Nf6 can transpose to mainline.  If Black is a fan of the French, he might choose 2..e6, however, since White has nothing better than 3.e4.  Likewise 2..c6 will probably lead to the Caro-Kann (although White can try to confuse the issue with 3.Bg5!?)  2..Bf5 is an interesting possibility as well, trying to transpose to the ...Bf5 mainlines of the Veresov while avoiding lines with an early White Bxf6.

1.Nc3 d5 2.e4 can be met in several different ways.  Personally I have never had a problem with the 'solid' 2...dxe4 3.Nxe4 Nd7.  But for the more aggressive there is 2...d4 3.Nce2 e5 4.Ng3 Be6, and 2...Nf6 keeping tension is also there, etc.  It is a matter of taste.

Bro, why have you spammed the forums with asinine 1.nc3 questions? one forum is plenty enough

I think he's advertising his book...

Probably should have made it a chessable course instead of a book, though.

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a : 1) Nc3 c5 2) e4 d6 3) Nf3 Nf6 4) d4 cxd4 5) Nxd4 a6 transposition of :

b : 1) Nc3 d5 2) e4 c6 3) d4 transposition of 1) e4 c6 2) d4 d5 3) Nc3

c : 1) Nc3 d5 2) e4 e6 3) d4 transposition of 1) e4 e6 2) d4 d5 3) Nc3

d : Whether it is 1) Nc3, 1) a3, 1) f4 ,1) d3, 1) e3 no matter between transpositions or reversed color position with one or no more tempo, White can play many things appearing bad but at the end not being bad.

I bet the guy didn't expect an answer 11 years later.

It really depends on your repertoire. If you're a sicilian player 1... c5 can work, but if they play 2. Nf3 the two knights sicilian you will have to navigate that very carefully and if not you could get owned there. Whether you can transpose will also depend on what type of sicilian you play - generally if you play any of the 2.... Nc6 sicilians you will be able to transpose, but if white plays it carefully there are reasonable ways of keeping you out of the Kan / Taimanov / najdorf. And you will still need to navigate this carefully and know a few sidelines regardless. But generally 1... c5 is alot more complicated than 1... d5.

If you play 1... d5 or 1... Nf6 against 1. d4 you're already liable to face a Veresov / Jobava, so this is reason to play 1... d5 against the Van Geet which can also reach a Veresov / Jobava after 1. Nc3 d5 2. d4 Nf6. You'll just need to learn 1. Nc3 d5 2. e4, but this is fairly easy to learn - 2... d5 3. Nce2 Be3 4. Ng3 e5 4. Nf3 f6 - just learn a few more moves in this line and you'll be fine.

It's also worth noting that the Van Geet can move both 1... e6 and 1... c6 into a Jobava-like position, often transposing into the mainline Jobava.

If you play e4/e5 or alekhines defense another option is 1... Nf6, which can reach either a Jobava/Veresov or a Vienna Falkbeer setup.

Thanks I Will get better at chess because of this.

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FM Bruno Dieu, you recommend your own book as beautiful and wonderful...
Most critical is 1 Nc3 d5.