Belgrade gambit

JamesColeman

...Nxe4 is a mainline so unlikely that it loses by force.

Optimissed

ok fair enough. In that case Qe2 may be incorrect, although I do think white gets a lot of pressure and black's k-side is weakened.

JamesColeman

I agree that it's maybe not a very practical choice from Black's point of view for an opening that you're hardly ever going to face; I'd probably play 5...Nb4 or 5...Be7 but I have seen very strong players take on e4, and then its a mess after Qe2 (as you say)

kindaspongey
Aatish01012010 wrote:
[1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nd5 Nxe4]

What do you think the next move should be ?

In the 2003 book, The Four Knights, IM Jan Pinski discussed 6 Bc4 and 6 Qe2.

Aatish01012010

I think Bd3 myself

Aatish01012010

But Qe2 is the best move according to analysis

Aatish01012010

And Qe2 blocks bishop from developing and slows down the tempo of the game

 

melvinbluestone

   After 6.Qe2 f5, 7.Ng5 and 7.Bf4 seem to be the popular choices. But maybe 7.Nd2 should be considered. I know it blocks the other bishop, but it does threaten f3. 

    Game Explorer has this game, where white tries the aggressive but logical 7.g4. I think black is still better after this with something like 7...Ne7. Instead he plays the dubious 7...Kf7, and gets away with it. Of course, it is Tal with the black pieces, so the win is not that surprising.........

   I usually don't post anything in here unless I have one of my own stupid games to show, just for comic relief. So here it is, a blitz played against an apparent lunatic.....

 

kindaspongey
melvinbluestone wrote:

   After 6.Qe2 f5, ... maybe 7.Nd2 should be considered. ...

"!" - IM Jan Pinski (2003)

KingSideInvasion

Qe2 just a tactic lol

1_a31-0

.... but it doesn't win, it's maybe good enough for slightly worse than equality 

1_a31-0
kindaspongey wrote:
melvinbluestone wrote:

   After 6.Qe2 f5, ... maybe 7.Nd2 should be considered. ...

"!" - IM Jan Pinski (2003)

Yeah, I mean, Qxd3 and Nb4 is unpleasant for White. Black is also still up a pawn 

melvinbluestone
1_a31-0 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
melvinbluestone wrote:

   After 6.Qe2 f5, ... maybe 7.Nd2 should be considered. ...

"!" - IM Jan Pinski (2003)

Yeah, I mean, Qxd3 and Nb4 is unpleasant for White. Black is also still up a pawn 

    Yeah, this whole line looks pretty suspicious for white (my ridiculous blitz game not withstanding). In the DBs I checked, after 6.Qe2 f5, 7.Ng5 is most often played. But then 7...d3 is still a headache for white.

kindaspongey
melvinbluestone wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
melvinbluestone wrote:

   After 6.Qe2 f5, ... maybe 7.Nd2 should be considered. ...

[1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nd5 Nxe4 6. Qe2 f5 7. Nd2 d3]

"!" - IM Jan Pinski (2003)

Yeah, I mean, Qxd3 and Nb4 is unpleasant for White. Black is also still up a pawn 

    Yeah, this whole line looks pretty suspicious for white (my ridiculous blitz game not withstanding). In the DBs I checked, after 6.Qe2 f5, 7.Ng5 is most often played. But then 7...d3 is still a headache for white.

https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=4036465

Optimissed

Methinks Nd2 is no good because black can just play Be7 and then 0-0. White should win back the second pawn with equality. I still prefer 7. Bg5. I can't believe it's never been played.

kindaspongey
Optimissed wrote:

Methinks Nd2 is no good because black can just play Be7 and ...

"7 Nd2 d3!" - IM Jan Pinski (2003)

kindaspongey
Optimissed wrote:

... I still prefer 7. Bg5. I can't believe it's never been played.

https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=4036465

melvinbluestone

   Here's another one with 7.Bg5 from 365chess. White fares a little better here, with Harry the h-pawn getting into the act:

 

Optimissed
kindaspongey wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Methinks Nd2 is no good because black can just play Be7 and ...

"7 Nd2 d3!" - IM Jan Pinski (2003)>>>

OK point taken. It was late and I hadn't seen the diff. between Ng5 and Nd2 in that respect. Nd2 is obviously bad. But I want games with Bg5, not Ng5.

 

kindaspongey
Optimissed wrote:

… I want games with Bg5, ...

(Pinski 2003)