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kwekneus

But it looks so fun! ):

sndeww
E41803 wrote:

DO NOT PLAY THE BENONI UNLESS YOU ARE A GM!!!

Benoni is far too complex, even for 2000+ players- only GMs and IMs should be playing it. 

Ridiculous.

sndeww
E41803 wrote:

literally no chess coach in history would ever tell a beginner/intermediate player to play the benoni! why are people recommending it? you'll just get a terrible position from the opening and lose, because you don't know all the positional details of the opening! it's the same reason the Grunfeld and the Ruy Lopez are terrible openings below 2100/2200- they are far too theoretical and positional

Yes, because below 2200 everyone knows the difference between the Breyer, Zaitsev, and that one line in the Ruy where black would like to play h6 except he doesn't have to

kwekneus
B1ZMARK wrote:
E41803 wrote:

DO NOT PLAY THE BENONI UNLESS YOU ARE A GM!!!

Benoni is far too complex, even for 2000+ players- only GMs and IMs should be playing it. 

Ridiculous.

Exactly. I'm sure beginners shouldn't play it, but even 1800's not? A master (cm, nm fm) should be able to play any opening they want. Also FM's are usually far above two thousand.

sndeww
kwekneus wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
E41803 wrote:

DO NOT PLAY THE BENONI UNLESS YOU ARE A GM!!!

Benoni is far too complex, even for 2000+ players- only GMs and IMs should be playing it. 

Ridiculous.

Exactly. I'm sure beginners shouldn't play it, but even 1800's not? A master (cm, nm fm) should be able to play any opening they want. Also FM's are usually far above two thousand.

The fact is, the reason people are lower rated is because they can't play chess as well, not because they refute your opening theory on move 23 with the latest stockfish novelty. Meaning any arguments about something being too theoretical just shows cluelessness. If neither player knows theory, then you just have a game of chess. Stop using GM and IM arguments to justify bad claims. If you know the opening better than your opponent, chances are you are gonna win. Simple.

E41803
B1ZMARK wrote:
kwekneus wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
E41803 wrote:

DO NOT PLAY THE BENONI UNLESS YOU ARE A GM!!!

Benoni is far too complex, even for 2000+ players- only GMs and IMs should be playing it. 

Ridiculous.

Exactly. I'm sure beginners shouldn't play it, but even 1800's not? A master (cm, nm fm) should be able to play any opening they want. Also FM's are usually far above two thousand.

The fact is, the reason people are lower rated is because they can't play chess as well, not because they refute your opening theory on move 23 with the latest stockfish novelty. Meaning any arguments about something being too theoretical just shows cluelessness. If neither player knows theory, then you just have a game of chess. Stop using GM and IM arguments to justify bad claims. If you know the opening better than your opponent, chances are you are gonna win. Simple.

Why don't you ask Hikaru or Levy what they think of the Benoni/Ruy Lopez/Grunfeld for sub-2000s? I'm 100% convinced they would agree with me

s_sajwani123
B1ZMARK wrote:If you know the opening better than your opponent, chances are you are gonna win. Simple.

I also think the same about this

sndeww
E41803 wrote:

Why don't you ask Hikaru or Levy what they think of the Benoni/Ruy Lopez/Grunfeld for sub-2000s? I'm 100% convinced they would agree with me

Lol. How long has it been since Hikaru or Levy has been sub-2000? Do they really know what it's like? 

Before I dropped the Grunfeld, I scored well with it, having a winstreak of seven grunfeld wins.

The Budapest gambit - I also scored well over 50 with it as black.

And the czeech benoni - same statistics. 

And the Ruy Lopez is a respectable opening across all rating ranges. Why don't you think with your own head instead of mindlessly quoting grandmasters all the time. You're like one of those people that say 1...g6 is unsound because stockfish gives white a +1 advantage by move two. 

E41803
B1ZMARK wrote:
E41803 wrote:

Why don't you ask Hikaru or Levy what they think of the Benoni/Ruy Lopez/Grunfeld for sub-2000s? I'm 100% convinced they would agree with me

Lol. How long has it been since Hikaru or Levy has been sub-2000? Do they really know what it's like? 

Before I dropped the Grunfeld, I scored well with it, having a winstreak of seven grunfeld wins.

The Budapest gambit - I also scored well over 50 with it as black.

And the czeech benoni - same statistics. 

And the Ruy Lopez is a respectable opening across all rating ranges. Why don't you think with your own head instead of mindlessly quoting grandmasters all the time. You're like one of those people that say 1...g6 is unsound because stockfish gives white a +1 advantage by move two. 

WTF are you talking about? Hikaru and Levy have a billion times more experience than you- if you seriously think you know better than them you need your head examined. As to your petty insults I don't really care- have a nice day happy.png

sndeww
E41803 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
E41803 wrote:

Why don't you ask Hikaru or Levy what they think of the Benoni/Ruy Lopez/Grunfeld for sub-2000s? I'm 100% convinced they would agree with me

Lol. How long has it been since Hikaru or Levy has been sub-2000? Do they really know what it's like? 

Before I dropped the Grunfeld, I scored well with it, having a winstreak of seven grunfeld wins.

The Budapest gambit - I also scored well over 50 with it as black.

And the czeech benoni - same statistics. 

And the Ruy Lopez is a respectable opening across all rating ranges. Why don't you think with your own head instead of mindlessly quoting grandmasters all the time. You're like one of those people that say 1...g6 is unsound because stockfish gives white a +1 advantage by move two. 

WTF are you talking about? Hikaru and Levy have a billion times more experience than you- if you seriously think you know better than them you need your head examined. As to your petty insults I don't really care- have a nice day

I'm sure Hikaru and Levy would know all about being under 2000 rating... He began playing at age seven and got NM title at age 10. Now he's 33... yeah, he definitely knows what goes on down here.

E41803
B1ZMARK wrote:
E41803 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
E41803 wrote:

Why don't you ask Hikaru or Levy what they think of the Benoni/Ruy Lopez/Grunfeld for sub-2000s? I'm 100% convinced they would agree with me

Lol. How long has it been since Hikaru or Levy has been sub-2000? Do they really know what it's like? 

Before I dropped the Grunfeld, I scored well with it, having a winstreak of seven grunfeld wins.

The Budapest gambit - I also scored well over 50 with it as black.

And the czeech benoni - same statistics. 

And the Ruy Lopez is a respectable opening across all rating ranges. Why don't you think with your own head instead of mindlessly quoting grandmasters all the time. You're like one of those people that say 1...g6 is unsound because stockfish gives white a +1 advantage by move two. 

WTF are you talking about? Hikaru and Levy have a billion times more experience than you- if you seriously think you know better than them you need your head examined. As to your petty insults I don't really care- have a nice day

I'm sure Hikaru and Levy would know all about being under 2000 rating... He began playing at age seven and got NM title at age 10. Now he's 33... yeah, he definitely knows what goes on down here.

I mean, everyone's been a beginner at one point, right? Even you- nobody just magically starts out at like 2200, you build it up. So to say he doesn't know about sub 2000 is honestly one of the most idiotic opinions I've ever heard.

sndeww

He's definitely been sub 2000, but he hasn't been sub 2000 in over 20 years. So how would he know what it's like to be sub 2000 now?

s_sajwani123

Hi, I talked to the person who recommended me the Benoni about what you all are saying. It turns out that he did not know that my rating was not that good. Now he says that I should be minimum 1200 for this opening.

kwekneus

I wouldn't reccomend any hypermodern opening either, i think you should just meet d4 with d5 and play solid chess (:

blitzblunderz

The Englund Gambit is fun happy.png

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chamo2074

@b1ZMARK the benoni is not refuted, for their opponents to find a refutation on move 23, but the guy will self-surrender during a game, playing the benoni and will struggle with it

Bizarrebra

I myself have been long tempted to take a deep look at the QGA, a very underrated weapon. A lot of players say it's not dangerous, but what opening is dangerous with black? First you have to equalize, then we talk, and I think that most of d4-players come to the board heavily prepared for a positional closed battle, and right off the bat.... boom!, 2...dxc4. It really throws off a lot of white players, and I'm convinced it's a good defense.

abbinignanti

Benoni was structured by a lady and notoriously they are able to perform multiple tasks at the same time. However, if you are a man do not be scared, you can approach (I did) even if you are not a GM, but first I suggest you study the developments.

Opening with the Benoni you could find yourself after 3, 4 moves in the same position as the following openings: French defense, classic Sicilian or dragon, tarrash.

step by step

abbinignanti

so, after having published my opinion here, moved by nostalgia, I enter as a guest and play a Benoni. I left it halfway when I realized I was playing 3 minutes against a great master. pity, because the development was interesting and balanced.

I wish you good things.

chamo2074

You may have immediate success, but definitely not long-term success

Also yes this shows the irrelevance of openings at this level, "You only had success with it because you are a beginner" is true, but if you really wanna have a good foundation "have success" with simpler openings you can understand and play actual good games with