Best Answer To Reti Opening

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Grumblesmurf

These sort of conversational threads are why the forum is so good for improving your chess. Basically ensures you realize that everyone is a patzer!

Alx, Irontiger makes pretty much the same point that James did. If you don't get that, you're not helping yourself by asking these types of questions...

AlxMaster

I already managed to get a database myself, so all of you trying to give me advise, GO **** YOURSELVES YOU BUNCH OF ARROGANT IDIOTS

Dont worry I wont be posting anymore questions

For those who objectively answered them, thank you very much.

skakmadurinn

@alxMaster d5 and Nf6 is the most popular GM answer. But what does that tell you? I think you should practise tactics and the endgame, not study the best first move. And why are you so rude to Irontiger?

Oecleus
AlxMaster wrote:

I already managed to get a database myself, so all of you trying to give me advise, GO **** YOURSELVES YOU BUNCH OF ARROGANT IDIOTS

Dont worry I wont be posting anymore questions

For those who objectively answered them, thank you very much.

I'm not sure why you are such an ass, seems like everyone has posted their opinion which is what you asked for.

Anyways I only play 1.Nf3 and the responses I like seeing (as in ones that are easily to play against) are things like 1..d5 1..nf6 1..Nc6 (I really like playing against this, I feel like i have a strong advantage right away.)

The things I don't like seeing (the things you should play) are moves like 1..c5 which can transpose into the sicilian (2.e4), or the english. Also 1..f5 isn't too annoying to play against but it seems like my opponents tend to be more prepared than I am.

AlxMaster

Anyone with a minimum of intelligence can understand why I'm pissed off, I don't want to extend the subject. Now if you excuse me, I have some useless chess study that is going to take me nowhere to do.

Oecleus
AlxMaster wrote:

Anyone with a minimum of intelligence can understand why I'm pissed off, I don't want to extend the subject. Now if you excuse me, I have some useless chess study that is going to take me nowhere to do.

you probably shouldn't do the chess study then should you? anyone with a minimum of intelligence could of told you that.

Oecleus

Again, I don't realize why you are so upset.

Tsumeb

You asked for advice, and you got some. Now you're whining to everybody else. They were polite and gave you what I think is helpful and informative advice, where the hell do you get off yelling at them? Use that "minimum" intelligence you have there. 

aggressivesociopath

@Oecleaus

Why do you have trouble playing against 1...c5? It is a rare Black player who can handle the Open Sicilian and the half hedgehog lines such as 1.Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. Nc3 e6 (5...g6 6. e4 is an Acclerated Dragon). 

GreenCastleBlock

1.Nf3 c5 2.b3 is an interesting response to ...c5.  It makes sense to discourage ..g6.  There are some independent paths that White could steer for.

Oecleus
aggressivesociopath wrote:

@Oecleaus

Why do you have trouble playing against 1...c5? It is a rare Black player who can handle the Open Sicilian and the half hedgehog lines such as 1.Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. Nc3 e6 (5...g6 6. e4 is an Acclerated Dragon). 

I think I'm just bad at the sicilian. I've played both sides of it and I know the general ideas but the tactics never seem to work for me.. Too complicated I guess.

The reason why I answer 1.Nf3 c5 with 2.e4 is because that's what houdini suggests if you give it some time.

Also 1.Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. d4 doesn't look very pleasing to me. It's giving up a center pawn and simply looks ugly in my opinion. I'm not sure on the correctness of it but I don't think I like it.

GreenCastleBlock
Oecleus wrote:
The reason why I answer 1.Nf3 c5 with 2.e4 is because that's what houdini suggests if you give it some time.

Also 1.Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. d4 doesn't look very pleasing to me. It's giving up a center pawn and simply looks ugly in my opinion. I'm not sure on the correctness of it but I don't think I like it.

A) That is a terrible reason for choosing your 2nd move.  When I first fire up Shredder, I can let it sit for a while in the opening position and it likes 1.Nc3, but you won't see me playing that move except as a joke.

B) 1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 is played all the time at master level; it provides White with a slight space advantage.

Irontiger
AlxMaster wrote:

I have the right to study and discuss chess in the way I want and it may be informative to anyone else interested.

I'm sick and tired of people telling me what I should do instead of answering my questions.

Oh, clearly. You also have the right to spend days learning by heart the FIDE top rating lists, if you think it helps you.

But your question was answered, and telling what you should do is informative - if not to you, to others.

Oecleus
GreenCastleBlock wrote:
Oecleus wrote:
The reason why I answer 1.Nf3 c5 with 2.e4 is because that's what houdini suggests if you give it some time.

Also 1.Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. d4 doesn't look very pleasing to me. It's giving up a center pawn and simply looks ugly in my opinion. I'm not sure on the correctness of it but I don't think I like it.

A) That is a terrible reason for choosing your 2nd move.  When I first fire up Shredder, I can let it sit for a while in the opening position and it likes 1.Nc3, but you won't see me playing that move except as a joke.

B) 1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 is played all the time at master level; it provides White with a slight space advantage.

A) Are you using an outdated version of shredder? What is it rated? How long did it sit for (A member here let it think for awhile and it gave 1.e4)? If you let Houdini sit for a while it always gives great moves.

B) It may be objectively sound to play, like I said I don't play it for other reasons.

AlxMaster

The guy criticises me for playing GM database but he plays engine openings without book.

And I say to myself... What a wonderful world... !!!

aggressivesociopath

1. Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5 5. Nb5 d5 6. cxd5 Bc5 is a major line that gives Black good compensation. Perhaps 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. d4 is a better move order 4…cxd4 5. Nxd4 e6. (5…g6 is an Accelerated Dragon.)

Incidentally 1. Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nc3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 e6 6. d4 cxd4 7. Qxd4 d6 8. Bg5 is the kind of half hedgehog I was talking about, White has an advantage and Black lacks counterplay. Delaying d4 until move 7 is another option, 1. Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. g3 g6 5. Bg2 Bg7 6. O-O O-O 7. d4 cxd4 8. Nxd4, another position where White has a small advantage and can play for the win without risking a loss.

 

I don’t understand why you would play the Open Sicilian and not d4 in the Symmetrical English. In both cases, you are trading your d pawn for Black’s c pawn. Also using an engine for move two in the opening is a waste of valuable CPU time.

Oecleus
aggressivesociopath wrote:

1. Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5 5. Nb5 d5 6. cxd5 Bc5 is a major line that gives Black good compensation. Perhaps 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. d4 is a better move order 4…cxd4 5. Nxd4 e6. (5…g6 is an Accelerated Dragon.)

Incidentally 1. Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nc3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 e6 6. d4 cxd4 7. Qxd4 d6 8. Bg5 is the kind of half hedgehog I was talking about, White has an advantage and Black lacks counterplay. Delaying d4 until move 7 is another option, 1. Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. g3 g6 5. Bg2 Bg7 6. O-O O-O 7. d4 cxd4 8. Nxd4, another position where White has a small advantage and can play for the win without risking a loss.

 

I don’t understand why you would play the Open Sicilian and not d4 in the Symmetrical English. In both cases, you are trading your d pawn for Black’s c pawn. Also using an engine for move two in the opening is a waste of valuable CPU time.

I have two computers, my laptop usually takes about 15 minutes for it reach a depth where it stops changing its mind so much. I mean I know the common belief is "engines are awful at the opening" but if you actually give it enough time it comes up with book moves. Sure, the engines biggest weakness is the opening, but its weakness is still vastly superior to any human on this site.

See for yourself instead of parroting what other people say.

"waste of cpu time" is a joke, it takes 15 minutes and i'm not using my laptop when I have it set to think about a move.  

Oecleus
AlxMaster wrote:

The guy criticises me for playing GM database but he plays engine openings without book.

And I say to myself... What a wonderful world... !!!

I never "criticsed" you for using a gm database, I criticized you for being an ass when people were giving advice (which is what you asked for).

Some people have so little self awareness it's truly amazing.

AlxMaster

In case you haven't noticed, I NEVER ASKED FOR ADVICE.

I asked for a database information.

But don't worry I wont be asking anymore, I managed to get a database myself. Despite having asked many times here and no one told me how to download one.

sisu

Let's make it happen!