Yeah,the berlin is ok.about the tal-kramnik ..we shal try 2 get hold of them,rather kramnik,and hear wat he has 2 confess himself,oh wil also want him 2 let us knw the best drawin weapon,since his king!
Best drawing weapon against 1. e4?
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Sep 4, 2012
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#43
Which line in the Petroff do you feel gives the best drawing chances for Black?
I had a funny game back in April when i played the most "drawish" variation against the petroff and ended up winning against a stronger opponent!
Kramposian wrote:
Title says it all.
Against 1.e4 or 1.d4 it has been known for a long time that the Caro-Kann is an inpenetrable underground bunker of an opening and usually leads to a draw
Sep 4, 2012
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#46
transpo makes it sound like the Caro-Kann is the ultimate opening, even though there are still GM games with other replies.
Sep 4, 2012
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#47
For some reason I was thinking AndyClifton meant this defense:
Might be a bit obscure.
ClavierCavalier wrote:
transpo makes it sound like the Caro-Kann is the ultimate opening, even though there are still GM games with other replies.
On chessbites.com, out of a database of 4 million+ games, 125,000 are Caro-Kann and roughly 33% of them are draws. 1 out of 3 Caro-Kann games ends in a draw. I would say those are pretty good odds.
In Major League Baseball a batter that gets a hit 1 out of 3 times at bat has a .333 batting average. That's a pretty good batter and manager's put them in to their batting order as one of the first 3 batters.
Sep 4, 2012
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#49
transpo wrote:
ClavierCavalier wrote:
transpo makes it sound like the Caro-Kann is the ultimate opening, even though there are still GM games with other replies.
On chessbites.com, out of a database of 4 million+ games, 125,000 are Caro-Kann and roughly 33% of them are draws. 1 out of 3 Caro-Kann games ends in a draw. I would say those are pretty good odds.
In Major League Baseball a batter that gets a hit 1 out of 3 times at bat has a .333 batting average. That's a pretty good batter and manager's put them in to their batting order as one of the first 3 batters.
I think I heard once that you want the best 4 first, with the best at number 4.
If You want a draw just play to win
Aletool wrote:
If You want a draw just play to win
And fail. Don't forget to fail.
Yes ! fail and draw LOL
Sep 4, 2012
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#54
FirebrandX wrote:
Centaur-wise, you can't beat the Petroff (literally). I once proved the point by using it to draw Prawn's super-beast computer that was more than 5 times faster than my old clunker. It's such a killer of complications that a desktop could draw a supercomputer with it.
It also really pisses me off when people play it in norm tournaments on ICCF. In order to get the norm, you have to play for the win in every game. Playing the Petroff in those tournaments is saying: "Hey, not only am I going to waste my entry fee, but I'm going to waste yours as well!"
If someone is only going to follow simply what the computer says for a centaur game, then that person isn't very bright (even with a super-computer). Even with two identical computer specs and engines, a GM + engine is going to outplay a novice + engine (not all the time of course, but a number of times). Engines also miss a lot of technicalities as it approaches an endgame (e.g. might calculate a line to simplify to queen vs rook + pawn is a win when in actuality it might be a theoretical fortress) that the better player will realize to avoid.
Because I'm quite sceptical of this statement, I'd be willing to play a centaur game against you, and my computer is nothing special (actually, it's just a crappy laptop so you would have the edge there!). Of course, only if you don't mind.
A ten dollar bill.
Sep 4, 2012
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#57
@FireBrandX (quoting will take up too much space, haha)
That's fine. I don't disagree that with perfect play chess is basically a draw (as you point out with the 99% draw for 2500+ example), but I'm just skeptical about the Petroff being the best line to force it against 1. e4 and 2. Nf3. Of course, based on what you say you probably know more than I do in that area, but I would still like to try if you don't mind (didn't mean to come off insulting you in any way).
Sep 4, 2012
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#58
Anyone who pulls the Petroff (or Berlin Defense) on me is also going to have to deal with the 4-Knights. So far, my lazy this-system-draws-every-time opponents have not done well with this transposition.
I think the old saw about "if you want a draw, play for a win" is right. When I have Black, I try to get in a counterpunch to try to take over momentum, not try to slide into a draw.
I once read that Fischer's secret is always to go for the win, whether playing white or black
maybe Berlin defence e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6!?