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westcoastchess

havnt read the whole page yet, but Im guessing its been said-

 

the lone problem with copying moves- they will mate you 1 move before you mate them Wink.

 

did you guys see the 4 knights article the other day? black plays with symmetry but then gets destroyed

Rapidfire220

If you read my whole post you will see I said that I did black the same just to keep it simple. I am not saying that the opponent will copy my moves; I just want to know if my moves are decent.

Cerdog

The moves are too passive for two reasons:

a) Nothing much has been achieved. Even if they do the same moves, you have no clear plan and not a huge amount of freedom.

b) If they've played more ambitious moves (i.e. moving bishops out further, pawn breaks, etc.) then you are at a disadvantage, or equal at best.

Rapidfire220

I don't see how you can read my mind and say I have no clear plan. The opening is about getting the pieces into position ready to attack and I believe the bishops are lined up with the kingside if nothing else.

The problem with moving bishops out further is that they can one pawn out and challenge it loosing tempo. I like more defensive style games where you prepare your position and undermine the opponents centre control and then launch an attack on their king. Once everything is in position I will do pawn breaks but you do not want to expose the position before it is strong.

westcoastchess
Rapidfire220 wrote:

I don't see how you can read my mind and say I have no clear plan. The opening is about getting the pieces into position ready to attack and I believe the bishops are lined up with the kingside if nothing else.

The problem with moving bishops out further is that they can one pawn out and challenge it loosing tempo. I like more defensive style games where you prepare your position and undermine the opponents centre control and then launch an attack on their king. Once everything is in position I will do pawn breaks but you do not want to expose the position before it is strong.


something along the lines of 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4

doesnt actually lose tempo, as their pawn move doesnt develop a piece either. so such a bishop move is fine.

Rapidfire220

Then again why would you want the bishop on a4 instead of c4?

Cerdog

Because it maintains a pin on their knight, is more dominant in the position and forces them to consider it in their plan.

You say I can't know that you have no clear plan but what is there to do? In order to do much you have to move your pieces to other squares (inferior ones), which loses tempi. Plus, there's still the problem of not being able to do this against most responses.

Rapidfire220

The knight pin is not that great a move because if after they move a pawn forward they continue challenging the bishop until it is trapped.

marilizeit

lol @ gambitking and rapidfire's game after only 6 moves!

Atos

After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Bc5, if I were White i would play 4. N:e5. The Black can no longer maintain symmetry now.

Atos

It's generally not a good idea to reinvent the wheel, 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bc4 can also lead to Boden-Kieseritzky gambit if the black  goes for 3. ... N:e4. This is a dangerous gambit but it seems to me that this is not the kind of game you are looking for, I think that you are looking for something more positional. You might want to check out the KIng's Indian Attack.

tigergutt

your pawns may seem reasonable placed but remember, you activated your first officer at the 5th move! you will have a rough time against blacks better developed pieces and that is not what you want as white? to be struggling to not get mated in a hurry?:) by the way after looking on your positions i suspect the colle zukertort might be a opening for you:) easy to learn but still played at gmlevel but if you do maybe you should play 1e4 e5 as black going for the open games? thats because whatever advantage or lead you get in chess the position must open up for any advantage to be realized:) its important to get open games practice. thats something i painfully learned a while ago after losing game after game despite knowing the closed positions better

Tricklev
Rapidfire220 wrote:

The knight pin is not that great a move because if after they move a pawn forward they continue challenging the bishop until it is trapped.


Just let me see if I got this right, a beginner rated 1200 on chess.com just  said that Ruy Lopez, one of the most popular openings in chess history, the king of openings, is lousy?

Be more modest, and try out some proper openings instead of this random crap you are doing, there is a reason why most openings worth the time already has a name.

 

And the bishop is very unlikely to get trapped unless white plays extremely bad.

Rapidfire220
marilizeit wrote:

lol @ gambitking and rapidfire's game after only 6 moves!


 

Surprisingly enough, gambitking played a gambit I have never seen before and quite understandably I did not know what to do.

Rapidfire220

I don't know why you are going on about symmetry, if you read my entire post you find I have said nothing about symmetry and did the same moves for black just to make it simple.

Atos

Lol, I didn't see that one. If you think that after 1. e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6, 3. Bb5 is now a bad move, that means that u need to learn to use the Google at least. Well, I guess that this is what comes about when people think that studying openings will somehow hurt them, the next thing that happens is they start discovering opening moves that were played for centuries before and wondering what on Earth should be done about them.

Rapidfire220
Gambitking wrote:
Well, here's how it went. We're gonna' play in LIVE chess, so I wonder if that goes any better...

The Gambit King


It seems to be a problem with many people that they do not read. In my post I did not say anything about symmetry, just that I played the same moves with black just to keep it simple because the possibilities are endless. I don't know how many times I have to say it.

Rapidfire220

Thank you but that has been tried and done, the King's Indian attack is what my opening was before where I did it on both sides and it wasn't too great.

Atos
Rapidfire220 wrote:

I don't know why you are going on about symmetry, if you read my entire post you find I have said nothing about symmetry and did the same moves for black just to make it simple.


I am sorry that I tried to respond. You don't seem to realize that chess is a game that has 2 players in it not only 1. Sorry that I interfered and please don't drag me into some further monologues.

Rapidfire220
Atos wrote:
Rapidfire220 wrote:

I don't know why you are going on about symmetry, if you read my entire post you find I have said nothing about symmetry and did the same moves for black just to make it simple.


I am sorry that I tried to respond. You don't seem to realize that chess is a game that has 2 players in it not only 1. Sorry that I interfered and please don't drag me into some further monologues.


You don't need to be sorry that you tried to respond. I am not annoyed, but I am not going to consider the endless possibilities of what the opponent could do when I am simply trying to find an opening which works for me. Next time please read the entire post before posting, and feel free to contribute.