Bird F4

thanks for letting me know, 800

? I have no idea what your current argument is

please show the mainline so I can see if white gets “overwhelmed”

thanks for responding, 8-year-old mentality

Sampson do you now see my point about being an engine slave?

thanks for the

Psychoanalysis 800

Fair enough but I don’t see any “overwhelming initiative”. It’s like saying white gets an overwhelming initiative in the Ruy because of this line

wtf is that

A line where white gets an overwhelming initiative in the Ruy, proving that black should avoid the Ruy because white gets an overwhelming initiative.

Overwhelming is a bit too much perhaps but the fact that black equalizes down a pawn surely does mean black has nice play if they can use it you know what I mean

no cos if black plays moderately well then they are fine

Agreed

Just like white in the From’s gambit.

doesnt mean u should use engine to back ur points up

This is the Ruy Lopez mainline… backed by an ENGINE? No, you don’t play like an engine, you can’t play like this. You can’t study the best moves for your opening. I can’t believe you’ve done this.

not what I said

Exactly what you said. That line was the top line, backed by an engine, just like the mainline Ruy. You said I can’t use the engine because I don’t play like one, so you’re saying I can’t play the mainline because I’m not supposed to play the best moves.

that isnt what I said

Also, the gambit’s “overwhelming initiative” isn’t just not present in that specific line, it’s not present in sidelines like h3, where black gets regular development, a possible pin on the f3 knight (if the e pawn moves), and nothing more.

Well, fair enough. The bar advantages don’t matter. But even without them, black doesn’t get an overwhelming initiative

yes, and that means something to a 800