@B1ZMARK the line you give from the national master doesn't seem so bad. After trading the bishops Nc3 seems pretty equal. But even before that, on c6 or even Qb6+ doesn't d4 just solve the problems with that line, or am I missing something?
D4 doesn’t mesh well when I have a bishop on g2. It’s just a slightly subpar stonewall
BIZMARK:
I've let Stockfish 14 chew on this a few hours and it calls 6. d4 dead even, such as this line:
1. f4 g6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 c6 5. O-O Qb6+ 6. d4 Nf6 7. c4 O-O 8. Nc3
Rd8
Looks fine to me for White too. I wouldn't call it a subpar Stonewall.
According to Stockfish, 6. Kh1 is not as good.
BIZMARK:
I've let Stockfish 14 chew on this a few hours and it calls 6. d4 dead even
Pretty much all bird positions are dead even so that's not really much. I know it was going to be objectively even out of the opening when I decided to play it.
I guess the pawn structure just looks ugly.
BIZMARK:
Stockfish rated your move 6. Kh1 varying around -0.35. Not dead even. And not a move I would choose myself.
I would be content to play White in the 6.d4 line I mentioned above.
The difference between -0.35 and 0.00 is actually quite small and doesn’t make a difference when playing against another person.
BIZMARK:
Stockfish rated your move 6. Kh1 varying around -0.35. Not dead even. And not a move I would choose myself.
I would be content to play White in the 6.d4 line I mentioned above.
The engine evaluation in this case only matters if playing against an engine. When facing a human one has to play what they have a better feel for regardless of how the engine evaluates it, as long as it is not egregiously bad.
Bird Opening and Dutch Defence are risky but playable. Example:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1899448
The difference between -0.35 and 0.00 is actually quite small and doesn’t make a difference when playing against another person.
Well stated...and the attitude of the role of white.
You think white is a joke and the best is 0.00 and so why not go negative? Heck you might just quit as white. From a strategic view, totally pathetic.
The difference between -0.35 and 0.00 is actually quite small and doesn’t make a difference when playing against another person.
Well stated...and the attitude of the role of white.
You think white is a joke and the best is 0.00 and so why not go negative? Heck you might just quit as white. From a strategic view, totally pathetic.
Unless my memory fails me, we were talking about the birds opening, which is objectively just inferior to many other choices by white. It’s just hovering around equal. Sometimes slightly plus, sometimes slightly minus.
Trying for an advantage is much different from actually having an advantage.
BIZMARK:
Stockfish rated your move 6. Kh1 varying around -0.35. Not dead even. And not a move I would choose myself.
I would be content to play White in the 6.d4 line I mentioned above.
The engine evaluation in this case only matters if playing against an engine. When facing a human one has to play what they have a better feel for regardless of how the engine evaluates it, as long as it is not egregiously bad.
I must agree:
https://lichess.org/dTnNDomz/black#14
After Qd3 !! (I'm joking, not really - the double exclaim) the computer say White is winning by 8.6.
[the game is drawn because I offered a draw and he took it].
- the question is, how strongly you pressure your human opponent, and how hard it is for him to find the moves.
From a strategic view, totally pathetic.
I beg to differ - it's only about 0.06 pathetic, from a lazy amature [=me] view.
Pepper and Water Science Trick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho0o7H6dXSU
Wow! What a bore!
BIZMARK:
Stockfish rated your move 6. Kh1 varying around -0.35. Not dead even. And not a move I would choose myself.
I would be content to play White in the 6.d4 line I mentioned above.
The engine evaluation in this case only matters if playing against an engine. When facing a human one has to play what they have a better feel for regardless of how the engine evaluates it, as long as it is not egregiously bad.
I must agree:
https://lichess.org/dTnNDomz/black#14
After Qd3 !! (I'm joking, not really - the double exclaim) the computer say White is winning by 8.6.
[the game is drawn because I offered a draw and he took it].
- the question is, how strongly you pressure your human opponent, and how hard it is for him to find the moves.
Well this particular game relied on two extreme blunders which should have been decisive and therefore this game does not provide the best example of engine analysis not mattering when playing a human because as I alluded to if the engine evaluation is extreme it can be relied on. But I do get your main point which is basically when facing a human anything can happen regardless of how the engine evaluates the position.
exactly! You're very balanced in your thinking, and this is key to success in everything. good points!
What's wrong with 5.Nc3 (with the typical d3/e4 idea) after 4...c6?
There's not such a hurry for white to castle.
Hello. Where can I get information about the classical Bird ? I have looked but I only find about the Leningrad Bird ?
sure