Bird's Opening

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ilikeflags wrote:

i play Bird's almost all the time when i'm white.  i love it. sure i lose from some, but i tend to have more success than not.  i've studied several games played with it and experimented in live with it a lot.  i have a pretty good system with it.  4 thumbs up here (and a bird)

90% of players have no really solid defense for it.  there are a few that make white pay dearly, most people have no idea what they are.  that's one of the best reasons to paly it.  but ieven if someone does know how to react, i still do ok with it.


That would be the From's Gambit.  If black knows it try to transition out of it... its tough to play if white does not know the correct response.  You should check out Boris Alterman's Gambit guide for that...

Niven42

Heh.  I came across this opening while using the Chess Mentor.  I figured it was a "sideline" compared to serious openings, but boy, was I wrong!  If you have access to Chess Mentor, I suggest you play through the exercise on Bird's there, and it will show you how to handle the opening correctly.

All said, I think this has netted me about 10 solid wins.  It's an awesome opening, and one that deserves your attention.

Lysergian

One thing that you need to research if you plan to play Bird's Opening is 1. .. e5  going into the From Gambit, It's one of Blacks Best responses.  One of my Favorite Characteristics of this opening is that, if you'd like, instead of accepting the From, you can swing into the Kings Gambit with 2.e4 : ).

dc1985

I dislike the Bird opening extremely. I'm not saying it's horrible, but too many beginners and intermediates use it for cheap confusion without knowing much, if anything, about it. If I ever see the Bird in either of my clubs, I make a point of painfully grinding a win from my opponent. However, Grandmasters, Masters, and Class A's can play it to their hearts content.

ilikeflags
dc1985 wrote:

I dislike the Bird opening extremely. I'm not saying it's horrible, but too many beginners and intermediates use it for cheap confusion without knowing much, if anything, about it. If I ever see the Bird in either of my clubs, I make a point of painfully grinding a win from my opponent. However, Grandmasters, Masters, and Class A's can play it to their hearts content.


i get this sentiment, but i KNOW for a fact that it is a successful opening.  grind away!  white is hoping you're looking to grind--it develops slowly and a long slow game can be a huge benefit to white.  and like i said, i lose with it--but i win with it, a lot.  plus, i see many advantages for players who are willing to use the openings of the GMs, Masters, and Class A players.  for me, it's not about proving to my opponents that i am better at chess then them, it's about learning what makes me a better player.  even if a player were to tell me he owns Bird's when he's black, i'd still work away. his confidence mixed with my study and experience could be his undoing.

Bird's--not for everyone but certainly a worthy effective opening.

ilikeflags
Lysergian wrote:

One thing that you need to research if you plan to play Bird's Opening is 1. .. e5  going into the From Gambit, It's one of Blacks Best responses.  One of my Favorite Characteristics of this opening is that, if you'd like, instead of accepting the From, you can swing into the Kings Gambit with 2.e4 : ).


From can be avoided if you play d4, f4, e3, Nf3.  it's not always fool-proof  in the sense that your opening will look exactly how you want it to, but it can help avoid From's Gambit.  this opening is called Juan's Bird-- 

at least to some.  haha

anyway, plus i think d4 is essential when playing Bird's.  not everyone agrees, but i almost always use it--meaning always.

Elubas

I don't know, 1 f4 d5 just gives black at least equal play and doesn't pressure black as much as other openings because 1 e4 and 1 d4 open up more lines of attack so that's why I stopped playing it. As long as you know how to beat From's though, f4 is a fine positional move and the better player will probably win. It's just that black doesn't have to worry about immediate tactics and gets a free hand in the center.

ilikeflags

i agree that it is not as strong at first but i know it can work.  it takes time and patience and experience.  curve balls aren't as intimidating as fast balls but if used correctly they can be just as devastating.  also, i know Bird's is not for everyone and i'm not trying to convince people to use it, i'm just saying through a lot of work and reading and trying--it's a fun opening for me and i really like it.

BirdsDaWord
LokiMundane wrote:

Can you post an example of a game, I have never tried birds opening but it looks promising.


 http://www.chess.com/games/view.html?id=3455

One of the most famous games ever with 1. f4, Lasker-Bauer, with a double bishop sac.  This is a provocative way to play 1. f4, but I believe the first move is provocative anyway!  :-)

sisyphus34
LokiMundane wrote:

Can you post an example of a game, I have never tried birds opening but it looks promising.


I don't know how to post an example, but I would be happy to show it to you in a game.  I am on most nights from 10 til 1, look me up :-)

ilikeflags
Absurd wrote:

who is this guy and what is the opening?


The guy is GM Henrik Danielsen, and while he's not been playing it lately, he has pulled out some impressive games with it. Search up "Polar Bear System" on Youtube, you'll get a bunch of informational videos on opening lines.


check www.videochess.net

lots of free lessons from Denielsen himself.

Salimi98
Elubas wrote:

I don't know, 1 f4 d5 just gives black at least equal play and doesn't pressure black as much as other openings because 1 e4 and 1 d4 open up more lines of attack so that's why I stopped playing it. As long as you know how to beat From's though, f4 is a fine positional move and the better player will probably win. It's just that black doesn't have to worry about immediate tactics and gets a free hand in the center.

after 1....d5 it becoms it reversed dutch defense with extratempo for white.many of my white opponent(d4 players) have problem when I play f5 against them.

UnequalJoker

I like da bird.

adityasaxena4

Birds Opening > Birds Opening: Mujannah formation > Kings Indian Defence: Four Pawns attack > Kings Indian Defence: Four Pawns, Dynamic Line > Kings Indian Defence: Four Pawns, Normal attack > Benoni Defence: Modern, Pawn storm, Four Pawns attack 9.Be2

is very much rare but likely as well !

adityasaxena4
Salimi98 wrote:
Elubas wrote:

I don't know, 1 f4 d5 just gives black at least equal play and doesn't pressure black as much as other openings because 1 e4 and 1 d4 open up more lines of attack so that's why I stopped playing it. As long as you know how to beat From's though, f4 is a fine positional move and the better player will probably win. It's just that black doesn't have to worry about immediate tactics and gets a free hand in the center.

after 1....d5 it becoms it reversed dutch defense with extratempo for white.many of my white opponent(d4 players) have problem when I play f5 against them.

1.f4 d5 2.c4 is the Sturm Gambit which I've played . It's far from over after that!

UnequalJoker

e5 is just bad.

HippotoBaron6

I see from my stats that i've played it only 3x but won all 3 (Daily games, av. rating of opponent = 1637). I haven't spent too much time studying the opening, so i'd like to get that book by Tim Taylor. I think the main criticism of it isn't that it's bad/unsound, rather that Black should be able to equalize fairly easily. But then, i just watched game 10 of Carlsen v Nepo, where Black also equalized with ease using the Petroff, so what's a 'good' opening and what's a 'bad' one?

adityasaxena4
Preusseagro wrote:

e5 kills it

f4 e5 c4 is the Vampire Opening 

it is far from dead after that !

HippotoBaron6

...but they swoop upon the unsuspecting! castle.png playhand.png

UnequalJoker

From's gambit sucks