Black's ideal response to the Alapin?

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Playful_Tiger

Here's a game that black plays quite nicely against the white's Alapin. I'm trying to improve my Alapin game as black - does this exemplify black's goal of queenside progress?



Playful_Tiger
Fiveofswords wrote:

well this was a french not really an alapin. I play 4 ed personally. totally different position.

I thought e5 c5 c3 makes it an Alapin, but you're saying it transposed? 4.exd would make it an Alapin?

kingsrook11

Alapin with e6 can often transpose to French defence variations. Here it has transposed to a French Advanced with 4e5. It could also transpose to French Tarrasch positions with 4exd5.

Playful_Tiger
Fiveofswords wrote:

your idea of a6-bd7-bb5 feels awkward to me...especially because white can simply play 6.a4 if he wishes...that move doesnt weaken him at all really.

I see what you mean there. I guess regular development would have been a better idea

TwoMove

It's actually some GM playing, but bd7-b5 with a6 is unusual French Advance line. Even with that idea more typical to play Qb6 instead of a6 when called Wade variation.

Playful_Tiger
pfren wrote:

That particular variation of the French advance is recommended for Black in a recent book. My personal belief is that white is better after 6.Bd3! but I guess there is no point posting analysis here.

On the contrary, the more analysis the merrier

Playful_Tiger

So, is this the more standard response that I should strive for as black?



Playful_Tiger
Fiveofswords wrote:

i think blacks best line is 2... nf6

it gives black more mobility and attacking chances (which is kinda what black tends to want when he plays the sicilian, especially if your opponent is weaker) and can also be played vs the smith morra gambit.

I can see why that would be a better move. I think it would transpose to what's above most of the time

lolurspammed

I've made at least 2 alapin threads, and it's safe to say that IMO Nf6 is the best line if you wish to equalize immediately, and b6 as well as d6 are good lines if you want sharp unclear positions and don't mind being slightly worse.

TwoMove

I would agree. People, like me, playing e6 open sicilian's don't have option though, unless playing a different line against 1.e4 c5 2c3 than 1.e4 c5 2Nf3 e6 3c3.

GreenCastleBlock
pfren wrote:
TwoMove wrote:

I would agree. People, like me, playing e6 open sicilian's don't have option though, unless playing a different line against 1.e4 c5 2c3 than 1.e4 c5 2Nf3 e6 3c3.

You can still reply with ...Nf6 under both move orders. Aagaard offers a good Black repertoire on these lines in "Experts on the Anti-Sicilians". But OK, having played ...e6 that early gives white some interesting options.

e.g. he could try to reach an Advance French position going down the Kopec path:



GreenCastleBlock
pfren wrote:
GreenCastleBlock wrote:
pfren wrote:
TwoMove wrote:

I would agree. People, like me, playing e6 open sicilian's don't have option though, unless playing a different line against 1.e4 c5 2c3 than 1.e4 c5 2Nf3 e6 3c3.

You can still reply with ...Nf6 under both move orders. Aagaard offers a good Black repertoire on these lines in "Experts on the Anti-Sicilians". But OK, having played ...e6 that early gives white some interesting options.

e.g. he could try to reach an Advance French position going down the Kopec path:

After 7...c4 I'm afraid that white has no consistent follow-up, as he has to take care of the e5 pawn.

The Bd3 idea works best against the ...d6 lines

Did you mean 6...c4? after 6..Nc6 7.d4 c4 I don't see how White's e5 pawn will be an issue.  It looks like White can try 8.Ng5.

In general what interesting options were you referring to? White's ability to play 3.d3 or 3.b3 ?