On the contrary - black is probably _better_ after 4.f4
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ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
On the contrary - black is probably _better_ after 4.f4
Hi, could you explain? I though white had good chances after 4 f4 bc5 5 Nh3 O-O 6 d4, or maybe 5 e3
No explaining! I do not want to get rid of every plane in the world! how would people travel?!
6. d4 is not posible( you have no d-pawn)
Black wins :)
4. ... Nc6 is probably good for white. Yasser Seirawan went on to write "A bust to the budapest gambit" with analysis of that line. (Check out his video on youtuube)
The modern way is to play the black jet variation with 4. ... g5!? but it takes on additional risk as black. (Check out Simon Williams videos here on chess.com about that line).
okay h5 then g5 didnt see qxg4
Sep 30, 2014
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#30
Tapani wrote:
4. ... Nc6 is probably good for white. Yasser Seirawan went on to write "A bust to the budapest gambit" with analysis of that line. (Check out his video on youtuube)
The modern way is to play the black jet variation with 4. ... g5!? but it takes on additional risk as black. (Check out Simon Williams videos here on chess.com about that line).
GM Seirawan is one of my favorite lecturers. I have watched his video on the Budapest and I tried his line against Chessmaster, imagine my dismay when on move 12 it played Re8. "Wait a minute, Seirawan didn't show this in his video". In fact Seirawan only analyzes outright mistakes by Black in his video, for some reason ignoring the decent moves. In the game on move 13 I didn't find the best way to defend the e-pawn and Black was clearly better two moves later. If he indeed has discovered a bust to the Budapest there's a lot more to it and it's much more complicated than what he showed in the video. I don't know if even Seirawan himself thinks he's actually busted it as the name of the article the vid was based on has more to do with an homage/parody to Bobby Fischer's article about the King's Gambit.
Sep 30, 2014
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#31
I've been using that Nh3 move for awhile now, I had a hunch that Seirwan was going to play it in his lecture :) Can't remember where I first saw it but its a very good OTB alternative for avoiding a regular Budapest player who knows lines 20+ moves deep against 4.Bf4.
Oct 2, 2014
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#32
If you mean 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.de5 Ng4 4.Nh3 (or 4.e3 Nxe5 5.Nh3) Black equalizes with d6! according to Stefan Buecker:
Oct 2, 2014
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#33
g3 is an ugly move that isnt played in that line though, Roeczak. But yeah I agree the Nh3 line doesn't promise any real advantage to white, just a way to try and be sneaky against a regulary Budapest player 
Stephenson2 wrote:
Shakhiyar Mamedyarov 8/12 2004-2013 Elo 2724 Games12
Viktor Korschnoj 1/2 1988-2007 Elo 2634 Games 2
Alexei Shirov 1/1 2000 Elo 2751 Games 1
Georg Mohr 27.5/44 1988-2008 Elo 2456 Games 44
Normunds Miezis 19/35 1991-2012 Elo 2521 Games 35
this is a partial list. the database "Chessbase Mega 2014"
It seems to me that it is played at a high level Mamedyarov 8/12 2004-2013 Elo 2724 Games12
Mohr 27.5/44 1988-2008 Elo 2456 Games 44
GM at 2700+ as you go down to mere master the games become more
but if it is good at the top it must be playable
The Budapest that is
I'm betting a lot of those games by Mamadyarov are speed games or other non-serious games. I use a DB that is filtered to exclude those types of games and no one is playing this at the super GM level.
- Normunds Miezis Result=6/13 1996-2014 Elo-Ø: 2536 Games: 13
That's basically it and only 3 of these are in the last 5 years.
well mabye you should let ME be Victorius agianSt You
Oct 2, 2014
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#36
On the contrary I think most of Mamedyarov's games with it have been serious and standard time control games. He actually beat Loek Van Wely twice with it I think.
The "your opening is bad because it's not popular for super GMs" argument has absolutely no bearing on whether normal people should play it or not.
I'm not even sure I know what the Philidor drawing method for rook endgames is, and I doubt most of my opponents have it down pat either. Why should it matter what opening I play again?
Reading comprehension is so hard for some.
why is that?
I think the biggest practical drawback of the Budapest Gambit is that it works only after 1.d4 Nf6 2 c4, if White plays 2 Nf3 then you can start your reportoire from scratch
4 f4 holds on to the pawn though... And black doesn't really have any good positional compensation.