Can anyone recommend me a gambit against Vienna system as an e4 black player?

samchessman123

EDIT: Sorry mistake what I meant was e5 player

Hello everyone,

I have started trying some gambits just to have some fun with chess. Now I'm an e5 player as black, so my gambits should come from this.  For example

 

Now what is a gambit I can employ here. Doesn't have to be sound, just needs to be fun. Note I need this after my e5 move as black, because just in case white plays nf3 next, I can employ my other favourite gambits.  Thanks

samchessman123
notmtwain wrote:
samchessman123 wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have started trying some gambits just to have some fun with chess. Now I'm an e4 player as black, so my gambits should come from this.  For example

 

 

Now what is a gambit I can employ here. Doesn't have to be sound, just needs to be fun. Note I need this after my e4 move as black, because just in case white plays nf3 next, I can employ my other favourite gambits.  Thanks

You aren't an e4 player as black.

You play 1..e5.

Yeah my bad I corrected the mistake now. So do you have any thoughts on gambits I can try here. Thanks

SNUDOO

there aren't any lmao. White gets all the fun.

samchessman123

If that is the case can any one tell me some gambits black can play in the italian game, as vienna game usually transposes into an italian. Thanks

SNUDOO

The only gambit black can play it the two knights defense, and it only works if white plays Ng5.

otherwise usually black doesn't play gambits.

samchessman123

Oh ok I see, thanks snudoo. 

2Kf21-0

Never looked in it, but I've seen it before and looks interesting.

verylate

If you are looking for a bullet proof, 100% guaranteed gambit against any variation of the Vienna, one that is positionally justified and isn't refutable by C class players, you are out of luck. OTOH, if you are willing to allow that white too has some say in how the opening develops, there is a nifty counter gambit that black can play that is positionally justifiable and, so far as I know, isn't refutable at club level. Unfortunately it is avoidable; but 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nxe4 4. Qh5 Nd6 5. Bb3 Nc6 6. Nb5 g6 7. Qf3 f5 8. Qd5 Qe7 9. Nxc7 Kd8 10. Nxa8  is a well known line where black sacrifices an exchange for a massive pawn centre and development. It isn't forced; both players can bail out of the complications at move 5 (5.Qxe5+ simplifies, and 5.Bb3 Be7 is another story), but if you find a partner to dance with, this can be an evening of fun

SNUDOO

The Frankenstein Dracula, yes. I play that myself but white usually Doesn’t play Bc4 :(

ThrillerFan
SNUDOO wrote:

The only gambit black can play it the two knights defense, and it only works if white plays Ng5.

otherwise usually black doesn't play gambits.

Well, there is always the Latvian Gambit if White plays 2.Nf3.

SNUDOO
ThrillerFan wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

The only gambit black can play it the two knights defense, and it only works if white plays Ng5.

otherwise usually black doesn't play gambits.

Well, there is always the Latvian Gambit if White plays 2.Nf3.

Yeah but then it wouldn’t be a Vienna 

poucin

What is your gambit on 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3?

samchessman123
poucin wrote:

What is your gambit on 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3?

Latvian and stafford. Don't laugh mr IM happy.png, trying to have some fun. 

samchessman123

@Very late: Thanks that looks great. 

Since I'm experienced at latvian gambit. May be I can play this dracula thing if next move from white is bishop c4 and if it is nf3 then go for a latvian. Only problem is I don't know if same latvian principle will hold well, after already having another white knight placed on c3.

Problem solved happy.png or is it? happy.png

verylate

Problem far from solved, as white is not required to enter into this. As Snudoo says, not every white player wants to play 3.Bc4. Myself, I prefer 3.f4, turning into the Vienna gambit. Others will play either d3 or g3, heading into a Kings Indian attack. And at move 5, white can simplify with 5.Qxe5+. So this isn't watertight. But if you play the Latvian, you should like this. Go for it! 

ysaye6for4milsubs

 

 

giftedguppy1000
samchessman123 wrote:

EDIT: Sorry mistake what I meant was e5 player

Hello everyone,

I have started trying some gambits just to have some fun with chess. Now I'm an e5 player as black, so my gambits should come from this.  For example

 

 

Now what is a gambit I can employ here. Doesn't have to be sound, just needs to be fun. Note I need this after my e5 move as black, because just in case white plays nf3 next, I can employ my other favourite gambits.  Thanks

You can edit the title btw

poucin

If u try to go back to kind of latvian after 1.e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 f5, be ready for this miniature...

Trying to play gambits at all costs is a bad idea.

samchessman123

ok thanks im poucin. That was a nice game. I like it. 

jatait47

1 e4 e5 2 Nc3 Nc6 and then (with stats taken from a 2010-2020 database):
a) 3 Bc4 (37.5%) 3...f5!? (0%)
b) 3 g3 (30.2%) 3...f5!? (0.02%) intending 4 exf5 Nf6 5 g4 g6!
c) 3 f4 (13.4%) 3...exf4 (49.1%) intending 4 Nf3 g5, when 5 g3! is the same position as in 'b' but with reversed colours. The theoretical assessment is probably a draw, so it's legitimate to play it from both sides happy.png
d) 3 Nf3 (16.0%) heads for a Four Knights after 3...Nf6, though Black does have other options at move three.