Can anyone recommend some opening for Black when White plays queen's pawn?

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QuinnsOperation

I used to play queen's indian defense, but it seems not very productive and I hate to be defensive. Is there any good opening can I choose for black? BTW, how can I use the opening explore? I just try to find a solution by the explorer, but it shows that when white plays queen's pawn,  black is always bad in his chances to win the battle. Only a few situation that black is better than white, but those move is played by very few people so the data becomes not realiable. So I am confused, how can I use it effectively to improve my openings?

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btl1230
If you asked me this question months ago, I may recommend Kings Indian defence, which was my favorite. However I lost every game I played KID since October. Now I try to play Slav
deathstroke2611

grunfeld is a good opening i also like benoni an if you want to attack the dutch might be also good also there is a good content on chess.com about the dutch by gm simon williams though it is only for diamond members.

QuinnsOperation

haha, thank you guys. I am going 2 try this out.Wink

missjessica77

I like to play 1) ..e6 against 1) d4.. for several reasons.  First, it can lead to a Dutch Defense position which is always fun for Black.  Simon Williams has a great video series about the Dutch here on chess.com if you want to learn the position.  Second, after 1) d4, e6... your opponent can respond with 2) e4.. which gets them out of the common d4 openings that they are prepared for and into the French Defense.  Simon Williams also has a video series about the French.  Sometimes, this move order can be a small psychological victory for Black because, if your opponent wanted to play an e4 opening, like the French, then they would have played 1)e4.. on their first move.  Third, 1) d4,e6 steers the game away from complicated Kings Indian/Gruenfeld positions and sets up a tactically rich/positionally simple game.  

stDvy

It's really all a matter of knowledge and taste: what do you know and what do you like? All systems beginning with 1.d4,Nf3 are the queen pawn game, it's just a matter of which one: King's Indian, Nimzo-Indian Complex, Benoni, Grunfeld, Benko Gambit, Budapest Gambit, ect.? All of them have their strengths and weaknesses. I recommend playing the Modern (1..g6, 2..d6) against everything, then you only have one defense, with it's variations, to learn. Not only all of the above are avoided, but there's no more French, Caro Khan, Alekhine, English, or dreaded Sicilian labyrinth. The Modern is a counterattacking, fighting, approach and can be transposed into a King's Indian or Pirc, but I believe those transpositions betray the basic principles. I would recommend visiting chessgames.com and reviewing games of the Modern and Robatsch openings. You will see than black's game is considerably freer.  

JMB2010

I think the ideal opening for someone at your level is just the QGD. Just play d5, e6, Nf6, Be7, etc. Don't worry about theory at this point, just play natural moves and you should be fine. It was my first opening against d4 and it served me fine, even though I had absolutely no knowledge of the theory at the time.

GMGomes
Totaly agree with JMB2010 at this point is Better do natural moves . Play focus on developement of your pieces . Considering the center and the hability of your minor pieces. Castling . Rooks conected. And naturly u Gonna earn more knowledge about the games. Then when u reach a leves of club player your knowledge are bigger and that point Its more easily for u to know What openings too choose to Learn . With perspective about the position u like .
mkkuhner

I play the same as missjessica:  1....e6 planning 2...f5 (Dutch) unless they play 2. e4, then we go into a French.  One advantage of the Dutch is you can generally play it against anything but 1.e4, so you don't need a separate line vs. 1. Nf3, 1. c4, 1. g3 etc.

But this is for players who like relatively closed positions.  Do you know what you like yet?  Are you happier when the center is cluttered up with pawns (I am) or when it's clear and open?  If the latter, something like Queen's Gambit Accepted might be better.

As for Opening Explorer, to start with, in master play White wins more games than Black.  Any line where Black is consistently better will be avoided.  So you can't expect to find openings that are much better for Black and have many games in them.

A better approach in my opinion is to play through a collection of games and see which ones appeal to you.  When I was a kid I got hold of a book of 100 games arranged by opening and played through all of them.  I liked the French and Dutch positions, so that's what I play.  This way you see the middlegames that come out of the opening, as well as the opening moves themselves.  Nowadays you could look for game collections.  Is there a player whose style you fancy?  Play through their games, see which of their openings might lead to positions you feel comfortable with.

mosai

Play f5 for mirror sicilian

General-Mayhem

QGA.

Occam's Razor style.

french_fries

I highly recommend Chigorin Defense.

QuinnsOperation

They are all very good advices. Thank you all, love youLaughing

QuinnsOperation

BTW, is there any app that I can save my analysis? I think in that case I can save some openings and watch it later.

SmyslovFan

MkKuhner's advice is good for players who are already ~Class B players. Players who already have experience and have learned the basics thoroughly can take her advice and make good decisions based on their own research. 

For players below ~1600 USCF, then JMB's advice is better. Don't worry about opening names or fancy set-ups. Just play simple 1.d4 d5 (a good response for when White doesn't play the QGD), and then follow up with normal development. 

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kellypk417

JMB2010 wrote:

I think the ideal opening for someone at your level is just the QGD. Just play d5, e6, Nf6, Be7, etc. Don't worry about theory at this point, just play natural moves and you should be fine. It was my first opening against d4 and it served me fine, even though I had absolutely no knowledge of the theory at the time.

My coach suggested the QGD to me. At first I thought it was very hard to even get equality. There for fought him on it. After sticking with it I have been very happy with it's solidity! It takes time for it to come to fruition but stay the course and it matures.

JurgenLiv
Kings-Indian
diamondpawn1

Hmmm??? sorry i cant help you mate.If i could i wouldnt (:-D Tongue Out

kellypk417

JMB2010 wrote:

I think the ideal opening for someone at your level is just the QGD. Just play d5, e6, Nf6, Be7, etc. Don't worry about theory at this point, just play natural moves and you should be fine. It was my first opening against d4 and it served me fine, even though I had absolutely no knowledge of the theory at the time.

I had a coach and brought up the same points. Black catches up in development and there game gets better as the game goes on. it is solid and if they deviate from main lines your chances get better. Have patience! !