Can somebody show me some ideas with Petrov's defense?
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Aug 4, 2013
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This is one of my favorite openings, and THIS
is a famous trap I have used, even several times on SAME opponent! If my opponent refutes it, I play the Ponziani instead.
Aug 4, 2013
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theliten wrote:
This is one of my favorite openings, and THIS
is a famous trap I have used, even several times on SAME opponent! If my opponent refutes it, I play the Ponziani instead.
What do you usually do against 4.. Qe7?
Aug 4, 2013
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Im sorry, I can´t see your graph. Repost it? Well however, queen to e7 is not the Petrov, but in that case you just develop your pieces.
theliten wrote:
This is one of my favorite openings, and THIS
is a famous trap I have used, even several times on SAME opponent! If my opponent refutes it, I play the Ponziani instead.
Wrong, sorry.
For starters, Nxe4 is a mistake. Nxf7 is not the way to make the best of it, though, and is not so hot after Qe7, when you've got to deal with the discovered check as well as your hanging Knight.
These are just example moves! After e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6, Nxf7!? is the Cochrane Gambit, which is pretty good, I think. It's what I play.
Not the entire story here. Here's what I remember of this opening (also not a complete picture, but the most common situations from practical play):
What the hell is this Nxf7 move? Just play Qe2 after e4-e5 Nf3-Nf6 Nxe5-Nxe4.
The main idea behind petrov defence is to avoid the Ruy lopez and italian game, and instead force a drawish position.
I'm pretty sure theliten meant 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nxf7, the Cochrane Gambit, then 4...Kxf7 5. d4 Nxe4? 6. Qh5+ is the trap.
Aug 5, 2013
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xxvalakixx wrote:
What the hell is this Nxf7 move? Just play Qe2 after e4-e5 Nf3-Nf6 Nxe5-Nxe4.
The main idea behind petrov defence is to avoid the Ruy lopez and italian game, and instead force a drawish position.
What can white do? For example:
Aug 5, 2013
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Remellion wrote:
I'm pretty sure theliten meant 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nxf7, the Cochrane Gambit, then 4...Kxf7 5. d4 Nxe4? 6. Qh5+ is the trap.
Correct. And this is pretty obvious, right?
5... Nc3 is stronger for black. the white king should just take on f2 in your diagram.
cause it wins the queen? you should probably think about things a little more before posting these analyses which are.... over optimistic... if i'm being kind.
Aug 5, 2013
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You´re right of course, I overlooked it when I made the graph. Yes, it seems like black can win the knight. Although, the king is exposed the whole game thorough?
he is up a queen for a knight.... do you really think his king being temporarily exposed is sufficient compensation?
I actually find it slightly annoying that 3...Nxe4 is not a mistake, but
appears to be fully playable and has two strong advocates: Volkman and Afromeev.
Aug 5, 2013
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molokombo wrote:
he is up a queen for a knight.... do you really think his king being temporarily exposed is sufficient compensation?
Ofc not, I was just kidding now xD
I forgot the danger of a queen attack. However, I think that the point of a trap is that it is a trap. If you see a trap you don´t walk into it. However, even grandmasters have made the blunder to instantly take on f7 so I still play this variation with success :)
theliten wrote:
molokombo wrote:
he is up a queen for a knight.... do you really think his king being temporarily exposed is sufficient compensation?
Ofc not, I was just kidding now xD
I forgot the danger of a queen attack. However, I think that the point of a trap is that it is a trap. If you see a trap you don´t walk into it. However, even grandmasters have made the blunder to instantly take on f7 so I still play this variation with success :)
the line where you take on f7 comes when black plays 3... d6 and not Nxe4. it's a totally different position...... please show me one game where a GM has played Nxf7 after black plays Nxe4.