Can you get into a Maroczy Bind safely from every variation of the Sicilian?

MISTERGQ

Title speaks for itself, but I was wondering if it was possible.

In a lot of Sicillians the black player plays an early Nf6, which usually induces Nc3 to guard the e4 pawn. I was wondering if it was almost always safe to play f3 to guard to pawn, then c4 with the idea of doing a bind transposition.

Inyustisia

no. black should usually be able to cross your plans with an early d5 or something

Nckchrls

I've tried it a few times after seeing Lombardy-Fischer 1960 but as in that game it seemed the time for f3 and playing Nc3 anyway costs as does the usual necessity of keeping the QB on the a7 diagonal or losing a tempo moving the King if 0-0.

In the Fischer game he felt his big development lead was worth a pawn though maybe White could've drew.

Maybe I misplayed it but usually the Maroczy benefit didn't seem to offset the time loss and lack of initiative. 

moonnie

You almost always can with the move order e4 /Nf3 / d4 / c4. 

However is does not really lead to an advantage against systems where the bishop is not on g7. So you get an equal position where white has some space but black has counter changes. 

AyoDub

I actually found the prins variation: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.f3!? very effective.

The best variation 5..e5 followed by 6..d5 (from memory) is fairly unnatural and not often played, even if it is you will just have an equal position.

Meanwhile, the majority of people who play 2..d6 do not have good knowledge of the maroczy and just continue their play, assuming it will transpose to an english/yugoslav attack. Upon reaching the maroczy they simply do not know how to acheive the required counterplay and usually get crushed.

Obviously the accelerated/hyper dragon you can get a maroczy, I think 3.c4 is generally accepted as quite good against the O'kelly (2..a6). The big problem I think will be reaching a good maroczy against the taimanov, where black can play for the ..d5 break with ..e6 and ..Bb4 and so on.
Is there a maroczyish variant of the taimanov?

Nckchrls

I'm not sure if it's officially classified a Taimanov defense but Fischer-Taimanov 1970 Interzonal maybe was an effective bind.

I had read somewhere that the Black KB on the h8 diagonal was maybe an good spot vs the Maroczy bind. One interesting review game where Black might have had decent defensive possibilities but went wrong badly was Portisch-Reshevsky 73 Interzonal.  

I_Am_Second
GodIike wrote:

I actually found the prins variation: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.f3!? very effective.

The best variation 5..e5 followed by 6..d5 (from memory) is fairly unnatural and not often played, even if it is you will just have an equal position.

Meanwhile, the majority of people who play 2..d6 do not have good knowledge of the maroczy and just continue their play, assuming it will transpose to an english/yugoslav attack. Upon reaching the maroczy they simply do not know how to acheive the required counterplay and usually get crushed.

Obviously the accelerated/hyper dragon you can get a maroczy, I think 3.c4 is generally accepted as quite good against the O'kelly (2..a6). The big problem I think will be reaching a good maroczy against the taimanov, where black can play for the ..d5 break with ..e6 and ..Bb4 and so on.
Is there a maroczyish variant of the taimanov?


The Taimanov Variation of the Sicilian: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6, followed by 5.Nb5 d6 6.c4.

Benzodiazepine

It would be a paradox if you could, wouldn't it?!

Totally agree with Inyustisia.

Fixing_A_Hole
GodIike wrote:

The best variation 5..e5 followed by 6..d5 (from memory) is fairly unnatural and not often played, even if it is you will just have an equal position.

I disagree on both counts...d5 is a very freeing move that seems the MOST natural to me, and on top of that it IS the most often played. Wink  White can try 6.Bb5+ followed by 7.Nf5...it seems the strongest test against that ...e5 move, but I'd still rather play as Black.  

Utopia321
AyoDub wrote:

I actually found the prins variation: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.f3!? very effective.

The best variation 5..e5 followed by 6..d5 (from memory) is fairly unnatural and not often played, even if it is you will just have an equal position.

Meanwhile, the majority of people who play 2..d6 do not have good knowledge of the maroczy and just continue their play, assuming it will transpose to an english/yugoslav attack. Upon reaching the maroczy they simply do not know how to acheive the required counterplay and usually get crushed.

Obviously the accelerated/hyper dragon you can get a maroczy, I think 3.c4 is generally accepted as quite good against the O'kelly (2..a6). The big problem I think will be reaching a good maroczy against the taimanov, where black can play for the ..d5 break with ..e6 and ..Bb4 and so on.
Is there a maroczyish variant of the taimanov?

 

What is your opinion on the following line? It doesn't look like you can play d5 immediately after e5 here.

 

soufstar

good thanks