Caro Kann.Exchange or Advance Variation?

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The Exchange does not make any sense at all.

You are trading e4 for c6 pawn, very big positional concession.

SF does not see any advantage for white here, neither in the Botvinnik-Panov Attack.

The Advance is good and scores well, but maybe best is the 2 Knights, often played by Fischer?

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Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

The Exchange does not make any sense at all.

You are trading e4 for c6 pawn, very big positional concession.

SF does not see any advantage for white here, neither in the Botvinnik-Panov Attack.

The Advance is good and scores well, but maybe best is the 2 Knights, often played by Fischer?

I agree 3 exd5 is theoretically bad.  But as Black, if White plays the Main Line, which forces Black to begin the exchange instead of White, I less comfortable then in the Advance Variation after 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3, where I almost have to play 3...dxe4 4 Nxe4 Bf5.

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What do you mean bad?Does it mean it sucks?

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Many people think Caro exchange is bad but since several years, it is recommended by some authors and top GM play it, very fashionable nowadays.

U just go into a Carlsbad structure, nothing bad with it when u have piece activity.

Which is nonsense is telling an opening is bad when it is played at high level with good results...

If u justify by looking at SF eval, well, u should know engine is a bit useless to assess openings, especially at move 3...

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It was said that the great Fischer himself favoured it (Caro-exchange) When the Russians found out they were lining up to play him. wink.png

 

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poucin wrote:

Many people think Caro exchange is bad but since several years, it is recommended by some authors and top GM play it, very fashionable nowadays.

U just go into a Carlsbad structure, nothing bad with it when u have piece activity.

Which is nonsense is telling an opening is bad when it is played at high level with good results...

If u justify by looking at SF eval, well, u should know engine is a bit useless to assess openings, especially at move 3...

Not if you are doing an in-depth investigation of all lines.

I am not just running SF on a specific opening position, I am investigating all reasonable continuations with it. In this way, chances to miss something are much less.

Many openings are not only bad, but simply lost, for example, the Two Knights seems to be simply lost for black.

I did a bit of analysis/investigation on this opening on my thread, 'The Secret of Chess', if anyone is interested.

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robbie_1969 wrote:

It was said that the great Fischer himself favoured it (Caro-exchange) When the Russians found out they were lining up to play him.

 

Yeah, but Petrosian got awfully wrong here.

g6 and Bg7 seems like a very reasonable continuation.

White might still have a tiny edge, but it is just that, tiny.

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After c3 g6, SF has a funny way of handling this position, but black is never really in any danger at all.

 

 

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Lyudmil_Tsvetkov a écrit :
robbie_1969 wrote:

It was said that the great Fischer himself favoured it (Caro-exchange) When the Russians found out they were lining up to play him.

 

Yeah, but Petrosian got awfully wrong here.

g6 and Bg7 seems like a very reasonable continuation.

White might still have a tiny edge, but it is just that, tiny.

So u admit Caro Kann exchange brings a tiny advantage for white, and u tell it is a bad opening?

Maybe u think it is bad because there is other ways to fight Caro Kann as white which give more?

A blitz (which is in fact a bullet) game between machines doesn't mean anything.

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If closely monitored, it means the world.

The Advance is better, of course, as well as Nc3, and everybody knows that, and statistics agree.