Caro-Kann ideas?

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ZeroSymbolic7188

What are the main ideas and themes in the Karo?

samir_naganaworkhere

On a VERY basic level, the main idea is to have a solid two-pronged pawn structure that converges onto the center, and also have an early activated light square bishop.  If I were to guess when the Caro first came to be, it was probably some old GM who, unsatisfied by the French's bad bishop, devised the Caro-Kann Defense.  At least that's how I see it.  The Caro plays more like a system, and so it's probably not that great as a learning device for new players imho.

InfiniteFlash

It depends on the variation white plays. All of them are vastly different unlike the french.

ZeroSymbolic7188

Most commonly I see the Advance variation. Anyway here is a game I ventured it it and won with:

Was move 5 bad or good then? I lost the Bishop but I weakened his Kingside and that ultimately lost him the game.

 

 
MrEdCollins

I'm not crazy about 2.e6 for Black.  Black is voluntarily shutting in his Queen Bishop.  One of the main "features" of the Caro-Kann is that in most lines, Black is able to develop this Bishop before shutting it in.

Also, no, I'm not crazy about 5...Bc5 for Black and exchanging this bishop.  Black is already weak on the dark squares, with his three pawn moves.  This dark-squared bishop is his "good" bishop.  Any opening (for either color) that sees their good bishop exchanged on move 5, and locking in the queen bishop, must be suspect, in my opinion.

White should never have let both of his center pawns be captured like that.

Nice game.  Thanks for posting.

Remellion

2. d3 does not a mainline make. 2. d4 is normal.

Another long infodump.

GreenCastleBlock

The KIA with 2.d3 is not as good against the Caro-Kann as, say, the French, because Black is able to establish a classical pawn center quite early; his development is easy.

 

There is also 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.Ne5 which you see some club players try to spring but it is gimmicky and not very good if Black knows what he is doing.  What White is trying to acheive is a version of the Fischer style exchange variation where Nf3-e5 has been achieved for free and White does not have to preface it with moves like h3, c3, Bf4, etc.  Here's a good response (after 8...Qc7! Black is equal because 9.f4? Nxd4 or 9.Bf4 Nd7!)



Littlecoke

Testing 123

mutualblundersociety
phillipwongseven wrote:

Testing 123

What's the frequency Kenneth?

kindaspongey

Possibly helpful: Starting Out: The Caro-Kann by Joe Gallagher (2002)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627062050/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen45.pdf

mutualblundersociety
BettorOffSingle wrote:

I play 3. f3 (Fantasy Variation), which often transposes to a Classical French (my old "double stem" line that I played for both sides) if Black sets up with ...e6.

3...Qb6 - your move

Chessguy405

This is what I play against the Caro Kann. 

Chessguy405
GreenCastleBlock wrote:

The KIA with 2.d3 is not as good against the Caro-Kann as, say, the French, because Black is able to establish a classical pawn center quite early; his development is easy.

 

There is also 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.Ne5 which you see some club players try to spring but it is gimmicky and not very good if Black knows what he is doing.  What White is trying to acheive is a version of the Fischer style exchange variation where Nf3-e5 has been achieved for free and White does not have to preface it with moves like h3, c3, Bf4, etc.  Here's a good response (after 8...Qc7! Black is equal because 9.f4? Nxd4 or 9.Bf4 Nd7!)



 

NagnusBarlsen
InfiniteFlash wrote:

It depends on the variation white plays. All of them are vastly different unlike the french.

the french is actually considered to be a more dynamic opening for black. (am i late to the thread lol)