Caro-Kann: Passive or solid?

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Ronald_Aprianto

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Scottrf

Yeah please list them.

MrDamonSmith

Adam, I'd like to hear your guitar playing. Can you post a video sometime? Also, I see you've gotten better at chess. I don't suppose you took my advice from way back when. You know, all the stuff I told you to do to get ready for real otb tournaments. I hope you're improving the right way. But for real, you have to play in some real tournaments soon. You're getting old fast. Hurry up & play in some, it doesn't matter what your results are, just play.

1tannguyen

Great read, thanks for the information everyone. 

-BEES-

The modern theory on the Caro-Kann is as dynamic and tactical as anything else. It carries a historical reputation for being boring and solid, slightly, but that isn't really the case now.

Ryder-Craig

you all have missed the point.... the caro is so easy for black after 5. ng6 6.ng6 7.ng6 8.ng6 and you get checkmated, yet it was easy for black because he did not have to try.....

CaroKannEnjoyer02

No respected opening is passive. Drawish? Only at top level is an opening "drawish". I have been playing the caro every since I found it, and while I would be lying if I said I never looked at anything else (especially french defense) I find it very fun to play happy.png. However, I prob dont know crap.

CaroKannEnjoyer02
Festy1 wrote:
noodlex wrote:

Hi. I'm very much stuck on choosing an opening to learn and play. I'm thinking about playing the Caro-Kann but I heard that it is very drawish and passive.

I play the London System and the Slav as White and Black. I used to play e5 against e4 but there's just so many lines to learn. I feel like I'm good both tactically and positionally - I'm just a very passive chess player. I hate taking risks, I love taking gambits, I like endgames, that kind of thing. I'm very much trying to become a more aggressive chess player. A IM at a tournament that I once attended told me that if I could be more aggressive at the chessboard, I would improve about 100-200 ELO. I'm around 1800 right now. Openings have never been my forte and I'm trying to start mastering them.

Should I play the Caro-Kann (and the London System)? And (I'll shoot two birds with one stone): How do I become a more aggressive chess player?

Thank you!


A good positional player is the one who should be able to produce tactical shots at any time during a chess game. (for e.g. if your opponent makes a mistake, you should be able to punish them right away) This can only be achieved if you are good at attacking.

As far as your comment is concerned, if you hate your own style then you are just a beginner and should stop playing chess immediately and better invest your time elsewhere. You should always be able to enjoy your chess game. Take for e.g. Petrosian, Karpov , Ulf Andersson and Leko. These players don't/didn't take much risks too but they always enjoyed their style and never changed no matter what people said about them. That also doesn't mean they were not capable of producing moements of magic. They all played tactical chess long after they became GMs. Leko and Fischer played 1 e4 all their life. Any player under 2000 is never a positional player. If they declare themselves as positional players then are just a chicken who play passively because they can not think.

Ulf Andersson played passively all his life (just like you think you play), then why he is 1200 rating above you ? Think about that and change your attitude. You will never improve go beyond your current rating if you don't play for a win or dominating your opponent.

P.S.: I know I used harsh words, but those are necessary sometimes for reality check.

Positional does not mean passive. Positional means you prefer maneuvering games, and its valid to be that. However, I 100% agree that ALL players cant be one style, if they want to succeed, they should also be able to use tactics and be able to attack the opponent.

Im probably gonna get hate tho so imma head out

chessterd5

positional means the controlling of key squares, files, diagonals, and ranks. combined with a quality pawn structure and king safety. good positions stop tactics and tactics are rooted in good positions. positional chess looks for the "quiet" move that solidifies a defense or prepares an attack.

MaetsNori

The Caro-Kann isn't passive - Black attacks White's center (e4 pawn) on move 2. Black also plans to attack White's d4 pawn later on in the opening (if the center is fixed) with ...c5 - and/or secure good squares for his pieces.

A "passive" defense would avoid attacking any pawns or pieces, prefering to shy away from conflict, instead.

KieferSmith

The Caro-Kann Defense is a very good opening that leads to a solid position for black with little-to-no weaknesses. I have a pretty good win rate with it; in fact I can't recall very many games where I lost with it. If you do decide to start playing it and want to get better at it, you can join my club: https://www.chess.com/club/caro-kann-union