How to play against bad openings ?

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The fact that u call proven openings “retarded” and “bad” just because u don’t know how to beat them means u are not ready to beat him.In any case,focus on improving your tactics every day with the tactics trainer.That should help u a lot.
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Those openings aren't considered the best but they are still playable. I think you have problems against them probably because the usual way in which you want to move your pieces and pawns can't be done since the positions that arise from those openings are different. You need to have some ability to understand what you should try to do in different types of positions. This can be accomplished by increasing your strategic/tactical strength so that you can come up with your own ideas or by looking at master games in similar openings/positions to see what ideas they had while they were playing.

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Might be something helpful in My First Chess Opening Repertoire for White.

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf

https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/vincent-moret/

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Like earlier mentioned, these openings may not score the best - but they are still playable. Countering "bad" openings in general is an interesting topic - as sometimes this "punishment mode" is not so easy and can often backfire. 

Usually "bad" either means you do not understand the opening, or they neglect opening principles. I can't help you with the first (just study theory) however, the second I can help with (what I think you were attempting to get to with this forum anyway).

If they neglect opening principles it is often times answered by you simply developing and keeping a solid position. Usually just this gets you ahead in development. Sometimes though, this lead can transform into an attack (usually on an opponent's uncastled King steming from their lack of development). 

The true key is knowing when to turn this positional plus into an attack; this idea however simply takes practice, practice, and practice. Strong chess players (bonus points for titled players) seem to know when they can get away with transitioning gameplay, almost intuitively. Clearly this is just chess prowess - but when in doubt, simply play small development oriented ideas. If your opponent neglects your development lead, then a smaller lasting plus is practically handed to you versus you working hard for it.

Unfortunately if I knew how and when to proceed, I would be much higher rated. happy.png

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The Pirc and Nimzowitsch aren't retarded. I recently had one of the better players at my club play the Nimzowitsch against me. Your chess opponent will continue to play these lesser known defenses if he thinks you're well booked up on the common openings. If he usually plays one of those two I simply suggest you put in more study time on those and eventually you will be able to exploit them.

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Guys look at his rating before answering he desperately needs tactics not Opening lessons (so do I of course)
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yianniww wrote:
Guys look at his rating before answering he desperately needs tactics not Opening lessons (so do I of course)

Does one necessarily rule out the other?

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SnekPik wrote:

My chess bro usually plays some retarded openings like pirc defense or nimzowitch defense and i just can't beat it... I can win against him if he plays usual openings.. But if he plays some non-existing openings i allways screw it up somehow. Do you have any tips how to beat him ? or what to do to adapt to these openings ?

As usual, opening are not the issue.  What is the issue?

Not following Opening Principles.

Hanging material.

Missing simple tactics.

Opening Principles:

1. Control the center squares – d4-e4-d5-e5

2. Develop your minor pieces toward the center – piece activity is the key

3. Castle

4. Connect your rooks

Tactics...tactics...tactics...

 

Pre Move Checklist:

1. Make sure all your pieces are safe. 

2. Look for forcing move: Checks, captures, threats. You want to look at ALL forcing moves (even the bad ones) this will force you look at, and see the entire board. 

3. If there are no forcing moves, you then want to remove any of your opponent’s pieces from your side of the board. 

4. If your opponent doesn’t have any of his pieces on your side of the board, then you want to improve the position of your least active piece. 

5. After each move by your opponent, ask yourself: "What is my opponent trying to do?"

 

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Pirc and Nimzo are decent. peshka.png

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First of all, try reading a book on opening principles. The old one by Larry Evans and 6 other GMs including Keres and Petrosian, How to Open a Chess Game, is excellent and I used it to design lessons for the very successful high school chess team I coached (three consecutive county championships and 3rd, 4th, 5th place State Scholastic Championship team trophies).

GM Evans, in the first chapter, provides 9 guidelines, to which I would add: try to threaten your opponent as much as possible while developing because only making overprotective moves do NOT usually work without also making threats:

1. dominate the middle.

2. develop your men and connect your rooks

3. castle early

4. don't sacrifice material unless you see how to get it back or get checkmate

5. don't move the same piece twice unless necessary

6. make few pawn moves

7. develop knights before bishops

8. avoid early queen adventures

9. always assume your opponent will make the best move possible

Once, when our chess club had a national master as a guest speaker, he was asked his favorite opening. He surprised many when he said, "Any opening that gets me to a playable middlegame."

When I worked with my players on openings, I never had them memorize a long list of moves and variations. We concentrated on the kinds on middlegames that arise from a few openings and what kinds of strategies tend to work AFTER the opening.  For example the Caro-Kann and French Defense often involve Black attacking on the Q-side and the attack usually starts with ...c5 because you want to attack ANY Pawn Chain at its base if possible.  That way, you can guide your opening development to help what you want to do AFTER the opening.

If there's something like the Nimzowitsch Defense, you can often transform it into a variation of an opening you're comfortable while first following the principles of space, tempo, force.

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 If you could provide an example game or two that you two played, it would help us see what you did.

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I have often seen praise for How to Open a Chess Game, but it should perhaps be mentioned that, having been written about four decades ago, it used descriptive notation (1 P-K4 P-K4 2 N-KB3 N-QB3 etc.). Also, the potential reader should perhaps be warned that, apart from Evans himself, none of the GM authors "was given a specific topic or assignment." For more overall organization, one might want to turn to a book by a single author, such as Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
or Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014)
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/openings-for-amateurs/
https://www.mongoosepress.com/excerpts/OpeningsForAmateurs%20sample.pdf
or Winning Chess Openings by Yasser Seirawan (1999).
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf

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MickinMD wrote: "... If there's something like the Nimzowitsch Defense, you can often transform it into a variation of an opening you're comfortable while first following the principles of space, tempo, force."
Anyara wrote:

 If you could provide an example game or two that you two played, it would help us see what you did.

I saw a sample 1 e4 Nc6 game in My First Chess Opening Repertoire for White.

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf

https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/vincent-moret/

There are two sample games in a chapter about "the Pirc and the Modern".

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Try the grob, sodium attack, bowdler attack, or vant kruij