The Russian Opening And How To Counter It

I disagree with both statement's.

I partially agree with both of your comments.

Well what about my comment do you agree with it 100% or partially as well?

Nc3 is a nice line if you don't want to learn the Petrov line, bur a double exlcamation? Really?

quoting xplayer:

"I disagree with both statements"

@xplayer:

Do you have any reason for disagreeing?

Nc3 is ok

What is this Cockroach gambit? ;)

Indeed Several.

JackCoughasore believes white has to play c3 and d4. However, their are many variations of the Ruy Lopez which doesn't all have that logic. Other's have different idea's. Such as the below line.

Fiveofswords believes Nc3 is terrible move in the Ruy Lopez which normally would be a very good agruement(becuase in most lines the knight goes Nd2 instead). However, we are not talking about a normal Ruy Lopez move order we are talking about a tranposition into the Ruy Lopez.

If we use the above move order I showed. We reach this position where the most common moves for black are Bc5 and f6 defending e5.

Now if we began making a serious of terrible moves. The position would get interesting. For example if black and white ignored attacking and defending the e5 pawn. Than black ignored playing his bishop to c5 we end up in a very interesting position.

So in the Following example we reach this very strange position. shown below.

So than you start to wonder why on earth did black not play f6 defending his e5 pawn. And why isn't the dark bishop on c5 which seem's to be a better spot for the bishop.

Than I show you another set of moves which can be played from another position.

Now when you look at the first game the first line has the move a6 for black and it waste 1 move playing a6. In the second game their is no wasted a6 move.

Now here is the strange part. The computers believe both the above position's are equal.

So white's position is the same. However, black position is different and yet both position's are equal.

Your mind is like blown away now.

So the question is. Is the move 3.Nc3 really that terrible if you reach a position which you might normally play in other variation's.

So you see in exchange for black having his knight on f6 instead of his pawn and having his bishop on b4 instead of c5 the compensation he has is a saved tempo which helps make the position equal.

3.Nc3!!  Its crazy only a Mad man would suggest such a move.

The idea is even crazy.

The computer evaluates it as even after Black plays bad moves? It must work! 

We also all know that computers are GREAT at openings.

There are many posers on this site who insist on taking the role of "teaching" others when they don't have a clue themselves. I've seen people write many paragraphs with much of the content being totally wrong. Nobody should ever come here for advice. 

They talk with authority about "recommendations" for others or about telling them obvious things as if the other person wouldn't know. Very delusional. 

I think you are missing the point.

However, it is Ok if you wish to dismiss it as engine ramblings you can do so. I do not mind.

*Sigh* some people will never understand.

Uhohspaghettio1 is right. Some people don't have a clue.

Even though Uhohspaghettio1 statement might be right to other people. He has misinterpreted my stance on this line.

I do have a clue and I am not trying to teach anyone on this forum.

The OP of the forum has the title of how to counter the line! I gave my recommendation of what I believe is a nice counter.

Someone on the thread than asked me a legitimate question on why I believed it was a nice counter. Seen below

I answered and the line I showed is playable.

fourpawnskewer and Uhohspaghettio1 simply do not understand.

This is what they believe